Diesel Fuel Milage Discussion

[MisterCMK]

KA-T_240;247632 wrote:
Yes, but why do the companies not bring the technology they have in their EDM models to the US???? They bring over detuned models that get less performance, the fuel economy is lower.....

Wowzers, you just rescued the Big 3 with that idea. Why didn't they think of it?

Oh wait, it won't sell. Yes, there are people here who want them, but it is foolish to cater to a small market in the grand scheme of things.

[bubba]

MisterCMK;247729 wrote:
Wowzers, you just rescued the Big 3 with that idea. Why didn't they think of it?

Oh wait, it won't sell. Yes, there are people here who want them, but it is foolish to cater to a small market in the grand scheme of things.

I'm sure there's a bigger market that u think... I know most people with civics and integras would much rather buy the JDM counterpart if it was available, and i'm sure it goes the same way for the majority of the rest of the import and euro crowd, not to mention some of the fuel efficiency and luxury market as well... But then again if that stuff was offered, then the american manufacturers would definately be fucked...

[kylush]

bubba;247736 wrote:
I'm sure there's a bigger market that u think... I know most people with civics and integras would much rather buy the JDM counterpart if it was available, and i'm sure it goes the same way for the majority of the rest of the import and euro crowd, not to mention some of the fuel efficiency and luxury market as well... But then again if that stuff was offered, then the american manufacturers would definately be fucked...

If the JDM models were offered here in the states and readily available I don't think people would think they were near as cool.

[3_Series]

DaveH;247636 wrote:
I dunno, with my programmer on the 85hp tune my truck is around 300 rwhp and 640 rwtq. It's pretty fun to drive.

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Sorry, was referring to cars regarding the two engine choices.

[capitlj]

kylush;247761 wrote:
If the JDM models were offered here in the states and readily available I don't think people would think they were near as cool.

Would kinda take the "mad tyte" out of "mad tyte JDM" huh.

[KA-T_240]

thrash;247716 wrote:
For a private individual to get a euro-spec motor into the US, you need to go through a registered EPA importer and submit the car to tests totalling between $11,000 and $13,000. Any modifications required to the car to actually make it pass are extra money out of your pocket.

This is for an engine difference only; the car body must already be something that is sold in the US.

The specific example I am thinking of is the 1992+ BMW M5 euro spec. The USA car was a model year 91 USA car with an S38B36 engine. In 1992 european models got the S38B38 spec motor, which was the same engine with coil packs, a revised crank hub, 200cc extra displacement, and some different cam settings.

There are a handful of of the 3.8 liter 92+ M5s in the USA, and all of them had to pay this outrageous surcharge for EPA approval. Not the first guy that did it. Every guy that imported one.

It costs an individual over $10k to get a euro-spec motor. It costs the manufacturer over $100k to do type approval. It has nothing to do with keeping the best stuff for themselves; the USA is BMW's largest market and also BMW's largest ///M car market. I'm sure they'd be happy to not engineer things twice if they could avoid it.

Like I say about everything -- the government is fucking it up for us.

Under a thrash presidency, vehicle import restrictions for individuals would be abolished. The state government already has laws saying what constitutes a "vehicle" on ND roads (turn signals, headlights, height of bumpers, etc). No need for the feds to make everything dumber for everyone.

So why is it so easy to put a JDM motor in a car????????????

Diesel technology in Europe is 5-10 years ahead of what we have being sold in the U.S.

[bubba]

KA-T_240;247911 wrote:
So why is it so easy to put a JDM motor in a car????????????

Diesel technology in Europe is 5-10 years ahead of what we have being sold in the U.S.

Because most of the time its not taken to get tested for emissions, otherwise most of the time a JDM engine swap isn't "legal", but states like ours that dont test cars for that dont really care...

[thrash]

Well, because putting a jdm/euro motor in a US VIN still leaves you with a car with a US VIN

As far as if it is legal or not-- I don't actually think it is. But someone would need to be seriously irate to even notice.

[beachbum_jon]

zbrown;247666 wrote:
I always thought 1500 for first offense.... I dunno though

yeah it very well could be, but i think like your 3rd time you get fucked by the dick of the law

and i think if THE MAN finds died diesel in your semi your fucked, but i think if your pickup gets checked they aren't as gay about things. i know me setting in line at the local wheat growers elevator in one of the petes, they come around every so often and check your fuel

[bubba]

thrash;248093 wrote:
Well, because putting a jdm/euro motor in a US VIN still leaves you with a car with a US VIN

As far as if it is legal or not-- I don't actually think it is. But someone would need to be seriously irate to even notice.

It's legal, as long as u have every little piece of paperwork, and it passes emissions testing, etc.... Unless u live in MN, ND, probably most of the midwest, u can pretty much do whatever the hell u want to ur car...