2nd Amendment loss-- Eric Holder confirmation hearing happening RIGHT NOW. CALL DC
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integra_gsr98;256026 wrote:
Also it isn't that they are going to take them away, it is a constant eroding of the undeniable rights put down on paper by our founding fathers. Little by little they take it away, whether it is with registration, waiting periods, permits to purchase, complete bans of certain weapons, etc.good post gsr
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bubba;256008 wrote:
Take away people's arms, then they can't defend themselves... Then the government can pretty much do whatever they want...what are you going to do, shoot them?
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This is a copy/paste and not my words/opinions necessarily. I am putting these out only for the purpose of full disclosure:
**> Eric Holder has always been a strong supporter of gun control. From his Weekly Briefing on March 20, 2000 (available on Lexis.com
I want to add my voice to those who are calling on Congress to finally -- to finally -- pass these very common-sense gun measures. First, to require child safety locks for all handguns that are sold. Second, to ban violent juveniles from ever having the ability to own guns. Third, to pass the president's handgun licensing proposal, which requires safety certification for all handgun purchasers. More... Fourth, to support research in smart-gun technology, which can limit a gun's use to its authorized owner. And finally, to close the gun show loop hole by requiring a background check for all gun purchases at gun shows. Every day that goes by, about 12, 13 more children in this country die from gun violence. We need these common-sense measures and we need them now.**and
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Attorney General-designate Eric Holder conceded during his confirmation hearing Thursday that the government's options for regulating the possession of firearms have been narrowed in the wake of the Supreme Court's 2008 ruling that the Second Amendment ensures an individual right to bear arms.
"Reasonable restrictions are still possible," Holder said, including measures such as a ban on the sale of what are called "cop-killer" bullets.
But, he granted, "we're living in a different world" since the high court's 5-4 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller.
Holder said that he previously viewed the Second Amendment as a "collective right" to bear arms, not an individual right.
The Heller ruling, Holder said, was a "very significant opinion."
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if you feel like you have to carry a gun around for protection you should make a new set of friends and refrain from dealing coke.
if i cant smoke a cig in a vented glass box at the petro with my dad when he is in town anymore you cant own an assault rifle. sounds fair to me.
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24valvenotak;256220 wrote:
if you feel like you have to carry a gun around for protection you should make a new set of friends and refrain from dealing coke.if i cant smoke a cig in a vented glass box at the petro with my dad when he is in town anymore you cant own an assault rifle. sounds fair to me.
Your smoking harms others, not just yourself anytime you are around someone. A rifle locked in a safe does nothing to anybody unless the person pulling the trigger decides to harm someone.
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integra_gsr98;256225 wrote:
Your smoking harms others, not just yourself anytime you are around someone. A rifle locked in a safe does nothing to anybody unless the person pulling the trigger decides to harm someone.Yeah, but you have a choice to go sit in a smoke filled room vs. getting mowed down at a school, mall, gas station...etc
Not saying I agree with banning guns...but theres another side to the story. The ban on ARs is to protect other people, what is the ban on smoking for?
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Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Criminals will be criminals, regardless of what tools they have available to them.
Smoking kills people, period. That smoke filled room might have a waitress who has to work inside of it who does not smoke, why should she have to suffer the potential consequences? Also, the government did not issue an executive order banning smoking, the PEOPLE voted to ban smoking. If more smokers wanted to smoke inside, more of them should have voted against it.
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integra_gsr98;256225 wrote:
Your smoking harms others, not just yourself anytime you are around someone. A rifle locked in a safe does nothing to anybody unless the person pulling the trigger decides to harm someone.not if you have a choice to work the smoking section, it has doors that open and shut by motion, and the room has an air exchanger in it.
sounds harmless to me. less harmless then a felon with a gun.
[QUOTE=integra_gsr98;256230]Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Criminals will be criminals, regardless of what tools they have available to them.
If more smokers wanted to smoke inside, more of them should have voted against it.[QUOTE=integra_gsr98;256230]so im voting to ban guns.
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24valvenotak;256232 wrote:
sounds harmless to me. less harmless then a felon with a gun.Again you post a reason that anti's ideas for gun control DO NOT work and only harm law abiding citizens. Felons lose their right to own/possess weapons. A felon with a gun is already committing a crime before they even do anything else.
Stopping law abiding citizens from owning weapons does nothing to lower the crime rate. Instead you wind up with places like Chicago.
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integra_gsr98;256233 wrote:
Again you post a reason that anti's ideas for gun control DO NOT work and only harm law abiding citizens. Felons lose their right to own/possess weapons. A felon with a gun is already committing a crime before they even do anything else.Stopping law abiding citizens from owning weapons does nothing to lower the crime rate. Instead you wind up with places like Chicago.
people voted to hurt businesses by banning smoking. thats taking away my right as a law abiding citizen to open a bar and allow smoking. why can YOU tell ME how to run MY business? why cant i allow people to smoke and tell non smokers to find somewhere else to go if they dont like it?
whatever, if you feel like owning guns and shooting them at dirt is supercool indulge yourself by all means. but dont be mad when someone breaks into your house and kills you with it.
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24valvenotak;256220 wrote:
if you feel like you have to carry a gun around for protection you should make a new set of friends and refrain from dealing coke.if i cant smoke a cig in a vented glass box at the petro with my dad when he is in town anymore you cant own an assault rifle. sounds fair to me.
The people carrying guns around legally are some of the safest people in the country. They are also the ones you should hope to have around when some idiot decides to try kill someone at the mall/school/wherever because they'd be able to deal with the killer MUCH faster than any police/swat force could.
PSiedTSi;256229 wrote:
Yeah, but you have a choice to go sit in a smoke filled room vs. getting mowed down at a school, mall, gas station...etcNot saying I agree with banning guns...but theres another side to the story. The ban on ARs is to protect other people, what is the ban on smoking for?
They banned guns that were used in less than 1% of crimes. They were banned purely on how they looked, not on how they operated. Rifles used for hunting are more powerful than the guns that were banned in the AWB.
24valvenotak;256232 wrote:
not if you have a choice to work the smoking section, it has doors that open and shut by motion, and the room has an air exchanger in it.sounds harmless to me. less harmless then a felon with a gun.
[QUOTE=integra_gsr98;256230]Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Criminals will be criminals, regardless of what tools they have available to them.
If more smokers wanted to smoke inside, more of them should have voted against it.[QUOTE=integra_gsr98;256230]so im voting to ban guns.
Actually you're wrong, the number of people killed each year by tobacco blows away (no pun intended) the number of people killed by guns.
Last time I checked 438,000 (tobacco related deaths) > ~30,000 (total gun related deaths) > 15,000 (non suicide gun related deaths)
Then there is cars, which are also not a right to own, that kill more people than guns.
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I'm asking just to see everyones opinion here on the 2nd amendment:
Where does it end? What weapons (if any) should be controlled/illegal for a private citizen to own? The wording of the 2nd amendment is as follows "A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
By definition then, any weapon from an rock to a nuclear armament should be permissible under the constitution. I think most of us can agree that a nuke is not what the framers of the constitution had in mind....but what did they have in mind? Muzzle loaded weapons? Canons? Lever action rifles? Bolt Action rifles? Revolvers? Semi-automatic pistols? Semi-automatic rifles or shotguns? Fully automatic rifles/shotguns? Grenades? Rocket Propelled Grenades? C4 Plastic Explosives? Land mines? Fighter jets? Bombers? M1-A1 tanks? Tomahawk Cruise Missiles? Scud missiles? Chemical Weapons? Biological Weapons? Nuclear Weapons? Sharks w/ Fricken Laser Beams attached to their craniums?
I'm looking for a serious answer on this one please. No flaming, just a direct answer because I'm betting even the most die-hard gun owners are going to disagree here.
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StangerBanger96;256245 wrote:
They banned guns that were used in less than 1% of crimes. They were banned purely on how they looked, not on how they operated. Rifles used for hunting are more powerful than the guns that were banned in the AWB.So, in your opinion, they would have been better off banning pistols? Say a 9mm or something as they are used far more than AK-47's and AR15's?
FWIW, I agree with you, I'm just trying to figure out everyones POV on this.
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The smoking ban was the dumbest thing..one more thing for people to bitch about thats all it was..although personally i didnt like going out to eat and people blowing smoke around, but in a bar come on...
As far as banning guns i think its BS, i guess i feel that people have certain rights, like smoking at a bar, then you say people have to the right to good health, go the fuck somewhere else then and stop bitching about it and go back to dealing with it like you use to cause im sure your doing way more unhealthy things to your body than smoking, like killing your liver..oh hey wait lets ban alcohol again and let people smoke back inside...ignorant people
/rant
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Trafik Jamz;256254 wrote:
So, in your opinion, they would have been better off banning pistols? Say a 9mm or something as they are used far more than AK-47's and AR15's?FWIW, I agree with you, I'm just trying to figure out everyones POV on this.
The bans should not exist because in the end the only people they harm are the citizens who legally and rightfully purchase firearms. Criminals will be criminals, period.
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i think if you feel like you have to carry a gun your paranoid. its one thing to have a rifle and go hunting and trap shooting, thats a whole different story. do you really want some dude with a pistol trying to diffuse a hostage situation? i dont. i want him to sit down and shut up like everyone else instead of playing rambo trying to be the hero.
my point about the smoking thing was people's rights are already being hindered but nobody cares until its about something which involves them or something they enjoy. its like seatbelt tickets. shouldnt it be your right to choose? wear it or dont. allow people to smoke here or dont. carry a gun or dont. where do you draw the line? apparently everyone thinks its with guns. i think its a bit late now.
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I do not see anything wrong with Assault Rifles.
A gun is a gun! The shape, looks, size and all that should not matter. I feel that a fully auto weapon should not be legal for the general public to own. Someone that wants to kill people will do it whether it is with a 9mm, .22, AR15/AK/other "assault rifles", .308, or a Barrett .50.
There should be some more gun control regulations. I think if you own a gun you should have to take a safety class, and show that you know how to use it. I do not want to be the person shot buy some idiot shoot there gun for the first time.
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24valvenotak;256265 wrote:
i think if you feel like you have to carry a gun your paranoid. its one thing to have a rifle and go hunting and trap shooting, thats a whole different story. do you really want some dude with a pistol trying to diffuse a hostage situation? i dont. i want him to sit down and shut up like everyone else instead of playing rambo trying to be the hero.If you truly understood the concept of conceal and carry you would realize that people (myself included) who go through the time and make the investment that it takes in order to get the permit(s), understand the ramifications of carrying a weapon and are generally much calmer than you think.
First of all, it is not a person with a CCW's job to play "cop" nor should they ever think they need to. Consider it insurance. How many times have you ever had to use your car insurance for the months or years that you have paid for it. You hope to never have to use that in the same way that those of us who carry hope to never have to draw a weapon. It is an insurance policy that if someone were to attempt to harm myself, or someone I care about that I have the ability to stop the threat.
There was a statistic out there that something like 1% of CCW holders will ever have to draw their gun, and that 8 out of 10 of those 1% who do draw the situation will be diffused without ever pulling the trigger.
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