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Corwin did some work on the power steering of my 44,000 mile Honda last week. It had the same problem as my 220,000 mile Audi.
Consumer Reliability surveys and ratings are horseshit, as they are measures of customer perception. They may matter if you are an "average consumer" and they may matter if your only knee-jerk response to every car problem is "OMG FUCKING CAR I HATE YOU WAAAAAAAAAAAH YOU ARE GOING RIGHT BACK TO THE DEALER"
Dipshits that blew all of their load on buying a brand-name car like a BMW take them back to the dealer with complaints about everything. They cannot reconcile the fact that they just spent an ass ton of money on a car that was supposed to buy them status and fame and unicorns and all that.. only to find out that it's just a machine.
The "new car" effect makes people kind of stupid. A good friend of mine who is a hard-core toyota guy and DIYer [3 different Supras] bought an IS300 brand new and complained about vague rattles coming from somewhere inside the dashboard. He had this expectation that on a brand new car that costs that much... there would be absolute perfection. It drove him nuts.
People that buy new european cars pay more for them and have high expectations. When consumer reports asks them how many "problems" they had, they say so. They don't mentino that their problems are things like "made a noise", or the HUGE chunk of E46 M3 buyers who said "the exhaust is too raspy". It's a fucking M3 you invert-dicks, the point is to drive around town with a big sign saying "I'm a cock".
I hadn't looked at non-European cars for a long time before I went van shopping. The difference in how you feel when you get into these mass-market vehicles vs. pretty much anything german... even a VW... is amazing. I was shocked that you had to get the top trim level of either the Sienna or the Odyssey to get leather.. or heated seats.
Getting into a Mercedes R class felt like "home", comparatively... not like the alien world of mass-produced vehicles with nickel-and-dime options. The only reason we didn't get one of those -- and a 2-year old R class is cost competitive with the Toyota and Honda vans... is that the MB doesn't have sliding doors.
Honda can make a worthwhile vehicle when they want to. The NSX and S2000 are certainly examples of that. It's unfortuneate that they so rarely manage to do so. The entire Honda lineup, most years, is a vast desolate landscape of fail. It's nice that people can make them fast, or put lambo doors on them, or whatever. I just can't bring myself to get interested in WWD cars with down-market option lists.
BMW has never made a car I wouldn't be happy to drive. All of the models, all of the years. I'd prefer a manual to an automatic, but whatever. These cars have the right driver ergonomics, the controls are intuitive, they stop, go, and turn very adequately for any situation. BMW doesn't, and never has, sold a car that cannot safely merge or pass. I can't say that about most vehicles, and certainly not about most brands. BMWs of 1-2 generations ago are crash-testing in about the same ballpark as current designs from non-European manufacturers.
For my needs and preferences, German cars are simply better. If your needs are different, fine.
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bubba;301946 wrote:
:icon_puke_r:do not want... I love the older bmw interiors, the was this one is laid out... How between the black and tan protrudes out, and so many different colors/materials, black, woodgrain, tan... pick 2 not 3....
So in other words you are a plain jane... how does that not look good??? youre an idiot...
2003 Mitsubishi Evolution 8
2011 Ford F150 Ecoboost
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thrash;302003 wrote:
Corwin did some work on the power steering of my 44,000 mile Honda last week. It had the same problem as my 220,000 mile Audi.Consumer Reliability surveys and ratings are horseshit, as they are measures of customer perception. They may matter if you are an "average consumer" and they may matter if your only knee-jerk response to every car problem is "OMG FUCKING CAR I HATE YOU WAAAAAAAAAAAH YOU ARE GOING RIGHT BACK TO THE DEALER"
Dipshits that blew all of their load on buying a brand-name car like a BMW take them back to the dealer with complaints about everything. They cannot reconcile the fact that they just spent an ass ton of money on a car that was supposed to buy them status and fame and unicorns and all that.. only to find out that it's just a machine.
The "new car" effect makes people kind of stupid. A good friend of mine who is a hard-core toyota guy and DIYer [3 different Supras] bought an IS300 brand new and complained about vague rattles coming from somewhere inside the dashboard. He had this expectation that on a brand new car that costs that much... there would be absolute perfection. It drove him nuts.
People that buy new european cars pay more for them and have high expectations. When consumer reports asks them how many "problems" they had, they say so. They don't mentino that their problems are things like "made a noise", or the HUGE chunk of E46 M3 buyers who said "the exhaust is too raspy". It's a fucking M3 you invert-dicks, the point is to drive around town with a big sign saying "I'm a cock".
I hadn't looked at non-European cars for a long time before I went van shopping. The difference in how you feel when you get into these mass-market vehicles vs. pretty much anything german... even a VW... is amazing. I was shocked that you had to get the top trim level of either the Sienna or the Odyssey to get leather.. or heated seats.
Getting into a Mercedes R class felt like "home", comparatively... not like the alien world of mass-produced vehicles with nickel-and-dime options. The only reason we didn't get one of those -- and a 2-year old R class is cost competitive with the Toyota and Honda vans... is that the MB doesn't have sliding doors.
Honda can make a worthwhile vehicle when they want to. The NSX and S2000 are certainly examples of that. It's unfortuneate that they so rarely manage to do so. The entire Honda lineup, most years, is a vast desolate landscape of fail. It's nice that people can make them fast, or put lambo doors on them, or whatever. I just can't bring myself to get interested in WWD cars with down-market option lists.
BMW has never made a car I wouldn't be happy to drive. All of the models, all of the years. I'd prefer a manual to an automatic, but whatever. These cars have the right driver ergonomics, the controls are intuitive, they stop, go, and turn very adequately for any situation. BMW doesn't, and never has, sold a car that cannot safely merge or pass. I can't say that about most vehicles, and certainly not about most brands. BMWs of 1-2 generations ago are crash-testing in about the same ballpark as current designs from non-European manufacturers.
For my needs and preferences, German cars are simply better. If your needs are different, fine.
In relation to consumer reports: I notice from time to time that a consumer report will list brand X at the bottom of their list for one critera. That very same year or the next year car brand X will be on the top of the list for one this or another.
Conclusion: Consumer reports are indeed a bunch of bullshit.
I think alot of it has to do with the mind set that you have when you intially buy the car (Like Thrash said). You pay so much and expect so much, but in the back of your mind you have a "bad" preminition from individuals who love to rant and rave that their 50-100k German car sucks the cock because of a few rattles or some other issues. So when something does go wrong.. it will drive you off the wall..
People who buy Hondas or Toyotas know when they buy their car that it isnt perfect, its a "Honda", they simply dont expect perfection. Simple problems that would probably drive a German car owner bat shit crazy exist on these cars with out much thought.
On the contrast, you have people who think German cars are the embodiment of perfection... and the effects are obvious when shit hits the fan...
Conclusion: German cars are indeed machines!! Although 10325042843805345034068439085% better :D, they still brake!
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thrash;302003 wrote:
Corwin did some work on the power steering of my 44,000 mile Honda last week. It had the same problem as my 220,000 mile Audi.Consumer Reliability surveys and ratings are horseshit, as they are measures of customer perception. They may matter if you are an "average consumer" and they may matter if your only knee-jerk response to every car problem is "OMG FUCKING CAR I HATE YOU WAAAAAAAAAAAH YOU ARE GOING RIGHT BACK TO THE DEALER"
Dipshits that blew all of their load on buying a brand-name car like a BMW take them back to the dealer with complaints about everything. They cannot reconcile the fact that they just spent an ass ton of money on a car that was supposed to buy them status and fame and unicorns and all that.. only to find out that it's just a machine.
The "new car" effect makes people kind of stupid. A good friend of mine who is a hard-core toyota guy and DIYer [3 different Supras] bought an IS300 brand new and complained about vague rattles coming from somewhere inside the dashboard. He had this expectation that on a brand new car that costs that much... there would be absolute perfection. It drove him nuts.
People that buy new european cars pay more for them and have high expectations. When consumer reports asks them how many "problems" they had, they say so. They don't mentino that their problems are things like "made a noise", or the HUGE chunk of E46 M3 buyers who said "the exhaust is too raspy". It's a fucking M3 you invert-dicks, the point is to drive around town with a big sign saying "I'm a cock".
I hadn't looked at non-European cars for a long time before I went van shopping. The difference in how you feel when you get into these mass-market vehicles vs. pretty much anything german... even a VW... is amazing. I was shocked that you had to get the top trim level of either the Sienna or the Odyssey to get leather.. or heated seats.
Getting into a Mercedes R class felt like "home", comparatively... not like the alien world of mass-produced vehicles with nickel-and-dime options. The only reason we didn't get one of those -- and a 2-year old R class is cost competitive with the Toyota and Honda vans... is that the MB doesn't have sliding doors.
Honda can make a worthwhile vehicle when they want to. The NSX and S2000 are certainly examples of that. It's unfortuneate that they so rarely manage to do so. The entire Honda lineup, most years, is a vast desolate landscape of fail. It's nice that people can make them fast, or put lambo doors on them, or whatever. I just can't bring myself to get interested in WWD cars with down-market option lists.
BMW has never made a car I wouldn't be happy to drive. All of the models, all of the years. I'd prefer a manual to an automatic, but whatever. These cars have the right driver ergonomics, the controls are intuitive, they stop, go, and turn very adequately for any situation. BMW doesn't, and never has, sold a car that cannot safely merge or pass. I can't say that about most vehicles, and certainly not about most brands. BMWs of 1-2 generations ago are crash-testing in about the same ballpark as current designs from non-European manufacturers.
For my needs and preferences, German cars are simply better. If your needs are different, fine.
I respect your opinion because you don't act like a douche about your preferences and how BMW>all. Or german cars > all.
Eurofag on the other hand is the epetome of what most "think" bmw owners are like. And he plays his role as a arrogant asshole who if it wasn't for there car would be JUST like everyone else. and somehow that makes him better then everyone thats "below" him for not driving a bmw.
Eurofag want to race me? Please......
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bubba;301949 wrote:
That color combo is much better, but still not a fan of the dash (too much going on for me, less is more) and the center console is too wide looking from the pic...Its called an option list Bubba, BMW's have been known for their plain simplicity in recent years. They are so incredibly customizable. You can buy a BMW that doesnt have "dash with to much going on"
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DrifterExtreme;302006 wrote:
I respect your opinion because you don't act like a douche about your preferences and how BMW>all. Or german cars > all.Eurofag on the other hand is the epetome of what most "think" bmw owners are like. And he plays his role as a arrogant asshole who if it wasn't for there car would be JUST like everyone else. and somehow that makes him better then everyone thats "below" him for not driving a bmw.
Eurofag want to race me? Please......
refer to the text bellow this sentence asshat.....
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Eurofan;302011 wrote:
refer to the text bellow this sentence asshat.....oh did your brother use your account while you were gone also? Trust me your a douche IRL.
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YellowEvo;302004 wrote:
So in other words you are a plain jane... how does that not look good??? youre an idiot...Just cause u cram a bunch of "fancy" shit in one place, doesn't mean it looks good... I can throw a bunch of diamonds on a fancy chunk of metal and say oh such a nice ring, but it has to be arranged decently for it to actually look good
DrifterExtreme;302006 wrote:
I respect your opinion because you don't act like a douche about your preferences and how BMW>all. Or german cars > all.Eurofag on the other hand is the epetome of what most "think" bmw owners are like. And he plays his role as a arrogant asshole who if it wasn't for there car would be JUST like everyone else. and somehow that makes him better then everyone thats "below" him for not driving a bmw.
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Eurofan;302010 wrote:
Its called an option list Bubba, BMW's have been known for their plain simplicity in recent years. They are so incredibly customizable. You can buy a BMW that doesnt have "dash with to much going on"I know... individual package....
DrifterExtreme;302017 wrote:
oh did your brother use your account while you were gone also? Trust me your a douche IRL.LOL
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DrifterExtreme;302017 wrote:
oh did your brother use your account while you were gone also? Trust me your a douche IRL.Haha, you met me hu?
Thought so.
Do you have a "Credible" Source like Bubba does? One thats never really met me too?
Trust me, youre an ignorant fuck IRL.
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bubba;302019 wrote:
Just cause u cram a bunch of "fancy" shit in one place, doesn't mean it looks good... I can throw a bunch of diamonds on a fancy chunk of metal and say oh such a nice ring, but it has to be arranged decently for it to actually look goodNo i agree with that, but just because there are 2 different colors doesnt make it look "bad". Looks more classy IMO when it's two tone... but to each their own oppinion
2003 Mitsubishi Evolution 8
2011 Ford F150 Ecoboost -
Eurofan;301755 wrote:
i have nothing to prove!Then why do you insist on saying your car is better than all these hondas? Calling them "fart" cars, making fun of them. You wonder why members here have come at you so aggressively? Most of them value their cars NO MATTER WHAT MAKE AND MODEL THEY ARE. When you come on here trashing their cars because you BELIEVE that your car is superior to theirs, you better be prepared for the repercussions incuding being challenged to put your money where your mouth (or keyboard is). If you want to be truly accepted and even taken seriously on here. Try to be respectful of others and actually contribute to something on the site. You may have the OPINION that your car is better than many of the members on here, just try keeping it to yourself. Unless you get off on ruffling all the feathers. Then, expect further ridicule.
Eurofan;301761 wrote:
QQ your cars are inferiorBy QQ, I'm assuming you are referring to quality control. To think that quality control is any better at BMW than it is at Honda is ignorance at it's peak. There is a reason that Honda's have a great reputation for vehicles that go forever. And that wasn't because of poor quality control.
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Eurofan;302022 wrote:
Haha, you met me hu?Thought so.
Do you have a "Credible" Source like Bubba does? One thats never really met me too?
Trust me, youre an ignorant fuck IRL.
My sources have met u... how else would i know u work for ambercrombie and don't know as much as u pretend about bmws... maybe i know someone that listens to u talk about bmws that knows more about them than you will ever know...
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YellowEvo;302024 wrote:
No i agree with that, but just because there are 2 different colors doesnt make it look "bad". Looks more classy IMO when it's two tone... but to each their own oppinionThere was more than 2 different "colors" though, that's what i'm getting at... I have a cpl friends that did 2 tone on their e36s... one was black and tan the other black and a reddish maroon color, both looks very nice... This was black, tan, wood, metal....
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weshole;302025 wrote:
Then why do you insist on saying your car is better than all these hondas? Calling them "fart" cars, making fun of them. You wonder why members here have come at you so aggressively? Most of them value their cars NO MATTER WHAT MAKE AND MODEL THEY ARE. When you come on here trashing their cars because you BELIEVE that your car is superior to theirs, you better be prepared for the repercussions incuding being challenged to put your money where your mouth (or keyboard is). If you want to be truly accepted and even taken seriously on here. Try to be respectful of others and actually contribute to something on the site. You may have the OPINION that your car is better than many of the members on here, just try keeping it to yourself. Unless you get off on ruffling all the feathers. Then, expect further ridicule.By QQ, I'm assuming you are referring to quality control. To think that quality control is any better at BMW than it is at Honda is ignorance at it's peak. There is a reason that Honda's have a great reputation for vehicles that go forever. And that wasn't because of poor quality control.
This butt-hurt attitude seriously worries me...
QQ doesnt mean quality control but like quit crying...
On a 100% serious note: Would you guys rather me act like a upright respectful fargostreet poster...? I can do that for you if you guys are really going to take this so personally. I dont want to make any foes IRL over this forum haha, like ive said before, I am just playing around with you guys.
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Eurofan;302005 wrote:
You pay so much and expect so much, but in the back of your mind you have a "bad" preminition from individuals who love to rant and rave that their 50-100k German car sucks the cock because of a few rattles or some other issues. So when something does go wrong.. it will drive you off the wall..That sounds like me. I've had some kind of rattle in my door panel since I bought my car and it drives me insane. A friend of mine had a newer Benz that she brought back to the dealership and bought some type of domestic because it make a few noises and her "nice expensive car shouldn't have problems like that."
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Eurofan;302032 wrote:
This butt-hurt attitude seriously worries me...QQ doesnt mean quality control but like quit crying...
On a 100% serious note: Would you guys rather me act like a upright respectful fargostreet poster...? I can do that for you if you guys are really going to take this so personally. I dont want to make any foes IRL over this forum haha, like ive said before, I am just playing around with you guys.
You think Im butthurt? Fuck no. I could give 2 shits about someones Honda.
Then inforn us "not as well versed as your elitist ass" what it means so I can "like, quit crying". Nice valley girl impression lil man.
And your actually doing more than hurting peoples feelings. As far as hurting mine, dont worry, you wont believe me. But, Im not beyond getting angry when you single me out. And no, I am not threatening you. I am being adult about this and I expect the same from you.
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weshole;302035 wrote:
You think Im butthurt? Fuck no. I could give 2 shits about someones Honda.Then inforn us "not as well versed as your elitist ass" what it means so I can "like, quit crying". Nice valley girl impression lil man.
And your actually doing more than hurting peoples feelings. As far as hurting mine, dont worry, you wont believe me. But, Im not beyond getting angry when you single me out. And no, I am not threatening you. I am being adult about this and I expect the same from you.
Wessypooooo.... He's been saying he's been kidding the whole time but everyone is to fuckin retarded to actually read what he says in his posts... all they see is bmw>>>honda, so dont worry to much lol
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2011 Ford F150 Ecoboost -
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