ripoff
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PSiedTSi wrote:
why would we order parts and give you $10 for something we can just order? Ill buy parts in town because of convenience and I can support friends and/or the local market. Who cares if i pay $20 more to help someone put food on their families table? And plus when your order online you never know what your gonna get and you dont have an actual shop backing it...its just a webpage in cyberspace that doesn't have to support shit!First of all, I need the $10 so I can put food on my families table. J/K
You asked me why I don't open up my own shop, because I am not stupid and I know the demand isn't that high, plus I am not one to rip people off so I can put food on my table.
So you are telling me they only mark up $20...Bull..
You are also telling me that the shop is going to back that nitrous system which just blew the crap out of your engine. You bought from them, they installed it, they are responsible for backing up the product. I Don't Think So!!
Besides most of these webpages are actual shops which have internet sales so they do stand behind thier products just as much as the local shops do.
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freeman_j wrote:
First of all, I need the $10 so I can put food on my families table. J/KYou asked me why I don't open up my own shop, because I am not stupid and I know the demand isn't that high, plus I am not one to rip people off so I can put food on my table.
So you are telling me they only mark up $20...Bull..
You are also telling me that the shop is going to back that nitrous system which just blew the crap out of your engine. You bought from them, they installed it, they are responsible for backing up the product. I Don't Think So!!
Besides most of these webpages are actual shops which have internet sales so they do stand behind thier products just as much as the local shops do.
Nitrous and tint are two different things. You being a dumbass and blowing the hell out of your engine, they won't, no performance shop will. -
if you go to tintmasters, they use parts from nopi.com, so you're saying parts are cheaper online, bull. you go to shane and ask him how much an exhaust would be for your car and it would be the same price as online. And dude you're not getting ripped off, these places do really good quality work, so if you don't want to pay this much move south or to cali and get made fun of.
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integra_gsr98 wrote:
I dont think you understand how this stuff works at all.You order your parts at home for that $10 markup, pay shipping, hope and pray it shows up, and then when it shows up you wind up being one of those guys that brings stuff in that was bought on the internet and wants it installed. Then you pay the premium labor rate because you didn't purchase the product from the local shop. By the time it's all said and done you may have paid more for that part and installation than you would have if you would have purchased the part from a local shop.
Why should we have a store that is open 40+ hours a week and only sell stuff at 10 dollars over cost? I don't think you understand what comes with having a shop at all. With a local shop you get expertise, advice, and a place to go for installation and any problems that may arise are taken care of locally instead of over the internet via email.
If you had any idea what went into your "overpriced tint" you'd realize why they charge so much as well. Two layers of film, one layer of film that doesn't like to lay on the windows to start, and the fact that your whole car is being torn apart, cleaned, tinted, cleaned, tinted, and put back together for that $600 sounds like a pretty fuckin good deal to me.
I didn't say they should only mark up $10. I said, I would gladly order parts for people for a $10 mark up at home.
I have never had any problems with a real internet company (I don't EBay). Where do these shops get there parts? Do they hope and pray they arrive? Same thing.
I'd gladly remove my own windows if it is going to save me a ton of money. Unless you are doing major engine work every install is pretty basic.
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freeman_j wrote:
First of all, I need the $10 so I can put food on my families table. J/KYou asked me why I don't open up my own shop, because I am not stupid and I know the demand isn't that high, plus I am not one to rip people off so I can put food on my table.
So you are telling me they only mark up $20...Bull..
You are also telling me that the shop is going to back that nitrous system which just blew the crap out of your engine. You bought from them, they installed it, they are responsible for backing up the product. I Don't Think So!!
Besides most of these webpages are actual shops which have internet sales so they do stand behind thier products just as much as the local shops do.
- Your an idiot 2. Blowing your motor with nitrous has nothing to do with backing their product. The nitrous is obviously working just fine. 3. You know the demand isn't high so they can't make up for prices in volume...seems like you solved your own problem now we can close the thread. Good.
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dude you are a retard, if you think that these shops hope that they're products just come, then why the hell would they back them. fuck this post your pissing me off way too much i'd rather go to work, hope you don't fall in a hole and there's nothing to complain about.
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wannabe wrote:
No. I am onbe of the people you say are getting ripped off....More people live in California. If they sell them cheaper and to more people, they make the same profit as someone who overcharges and sells less. Around here, the demand isn't huge.I just noticed this line.
So what you are saying, is they overcharge so they make the same profit as the shops in Cali. Wow, you guys are getting really ripped off then. Those places in Cali bank, if the local shops are making the same profit, I want to be on that payroll.
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papmurph wrote:
if you go to tintmasters, they use parts from nopi.com, so you're saying parts are cheaper online, bull. you go to shane and ask him how much an exhaust would be for your car and it would be the same price as online. And dude you're not getting ripped off, these places do really good quality work, so if you don't want to pay this much move south or to cali and get made fun of.It's called a internet search engine, NOPI sucks, they already mark up the price then your beloved tintmasters marks it up even more.
Plus after some of the things I have heard about tintmasters I wouldn't let them guys near my car with. no names but, ask about about the 500 mile road trip to get a UTEC tuned because of major issues with the car running poor, 8mpg!!! That's one of many stories I have heard, so where is this exerptise you guys so dearly pay for.
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papmurph wrote:
dude you are a retard, if you think that these shops hope that they're products just come, then why the hell would they back them. fuck this post your pissing me off way too much i'd rather go to work, hope you don't fall in a hole and there's nothing to complain about.Before you reply RETARD, read the quote that I am replying to.
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Do you notice that no one is on you side in this argument that you created. The shops in town mark up their products so that they can make money to stay in business. Notice that renting a building costs money, as is owning a building. I guarantee you can't get wholesale prices like any shop in town or the surrounding area.
You're bitching about the $600 tint job is ridiculous, you obviously have no idea what all goes in to doing color tint. As I remember correctly Kirk got his regular tint done at Team for $213, which is pretty damn good. Now think that there are two layers in color tint, double the price. Now you're at over $400, plus the bitch of labor that goes in to installing it.
Please be done bitching about the local shops in town. I'd personally rather support the local shops and buy from them, rather than waiting weeks to months on parts that I want for my car, that you can't guarantee will be in the best condition when you recieve it.
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So basically you are the guy that's pissed off at all the local shops, because they do what every shop in the world does. They get parts from distributors, and re-sell them to make a profit and help the local business and automotive market. Let me ask you this question, do you go into K-mart or WalMart and tell them that you only want to pay $10 over cost on the $600 TV that you are looking at buying? No you don't, that's not how shit goes and you know this as well as everyone else in the world. Same type of deal with local shops that sell parts. If there was no mark up or money to be made, then why the hell would anyone want to SPEND their money to run a business? You have NO idea how much it actually costs to run a business and keep it going. They don't always come out ahead. If you can really get that good of deals from your hookups in Cali, then do it. If you don't like ND and how shit works, then leave! Nobody's making you stay here.
On the colored tint subject, there's some wrong info posted already and I'll clear it up right now. Colored tint is usually one layer of film, not two, unless the shop does a clear layer to protect the colored stuff. So you might think it's still the same amount of work? Nope. The film that the colored stuff is made out of is a bitch to work with compared to normal smoke shades of tint. So the tinter must be much more careful working with it and putting it on the windows, and on top of that, the colored stuff is much more expensive as well. Now if you want mirrored or colored mirror tint, that's even more expensive for the tint and for labor because it's a HUGE bitch to do. The mirror shit is like tinfoil, any wrong little move and it's got pinch marks and creases, not to mention that mirrored tint shows EVERY last piece of dust. Tint prices here in Fargo are expensive yes, but like the others said, you get lifetime warranty against EVRYTHING. If you get it tinted and go out to your car and bust out a window, that's usually covered as long as the shop has some type of abuse warranty. Compare the work done at a local tint shop here to one of your places down south you talk about. It can't look good when you pay $99 for a bunch of dirty bastards to come and put tint on your windows on your lunch break outside in the wind!
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freeman_j wrote:
I didn't say they should only mark up $10. I said, I would gladly order parts for people for a $10 mark up at home.I have never had any problems with a real internet company (I don't EBay). Where do these shops get there parts? Do they hope and pray they arrive? Same thing.
I'd gladly remove my own windows if it is going to save me a ton of money. Unless you are doing major engine work every install is pretty basic.
Do we hope and pray our parts arrive, no. We order from legit distributors who have quality repuations in the industry. In order to provide good prices to customers we have to make buyins that sometimes only start at $1000 and go all the way up to $10,000 or more.
If you had any idea what it is like ordering parts for the average consumer you would know that $10 markup isn't really worth the time when you tend to spend multiple days discussing options and so on with each individual customer.
And then when you reinstall your own windows and fuck them up there goes your warranty on the tint. There is a reason things are done the way they are done.
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integra_gsr98 wrote:
Do we hope and pray our parts arrive, no. We order from legit distributors who have quality repuations in the industry. In order to provide good prices to customers we have to make buyins that sometimes only start at $1000 and go all the way up to $10,000 or more.If you had any idea what it is like ordering parts for the average consumer you would know that $10 markup isn't really worth the time when you tend to spend multiple days discussing options and so on with each individual customer.
Do any of you people even read the threads before you reply????
I was told earlier if I ordered from the internet that I would have to hope and pray that my parts arrived. So I replied that the shops order from the internet also. Do they hope and pray? No! Well neither do I. Got it yet. I have never had to wait more than 5 days for a part that wasn't a special order item. I don't care where you go, if it is a special order item, you are going to wait. I guess I save myself the "discussing options fee"* (sarcasm, not literal. I don't need anybody telling me there is no such thing as "discussing options fee" duh)* by doing my own research.
I, and I repeat, I would glady order parts for someone for a $10 fee (rearranging the wording so the kids can finally understand). I am not saying the shops only should mark up $10. They should find better distributors than NOPI. There are hundreds of quality legit, internet shops that sell way below what NOPI charges.
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02AccordEXV6 wrote:
I'd personally rather support the local shops and buy from them, rather than waiting weeks to months on parts that I want for my car, that you can't guarantee will be in the best condition when you recieve it.Never had any problems. Have you ever actually ordered anything from the internet?
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Ok i guess i was wrong about dual layer tint. either way you are like the biggest dick i've ever seen on here.
You come here and start bitching and running your mouth if your so unhappy with everything do it yourself. wait you already said you couldn't.
do you realize that the import market in california or down south is like the size of all the cars here?
shut the fuck up or leave.
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Wow it took 10 years of me “ripping” people off, for someone to finally find out about my monopolistic style of selling parts and performing labor for my customers/suckers. Between selling parts for the same price as NOPI,(rip off). (Not actually ordering them from Nopi, ordering them off Ebay). Charging less than $50 hour for labor intensive window tinting, (rip off), and road tuning Utecs for “’500’ miles for 8mpg,” (to make it driveable to get to a dyno) Not charging for it! (rip off). Well I always said when someone finds out my secret, it is time to move on to an uncorrupted, unsuspecting, new group of “shleps” to rip off. I guess Monday morning my 3 stores will be closed. Thanks guys it was a great 10 years……. Time to move on.
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Believe it or not I am totally messin' with all of you.
You guys get riled up way too easy. We are all into the same hobby. How we choose to pursue it is our own choice.
I have been into the import scene since 92' and have seen alot of things change for the good and some for the bad (mainly because of that damn movie). I have been doing the online ordering thing for over ten years now, that's why I know it and defend it. When I first got into the scene it was the only way, besides mail order and 1-800 #'s, to get parts unless you were from Cali. I can totally see all of your points and I am fully aware how buisinesses work. Most of the shops around here are pretty cool and have some really good people working for them.
It was just the more replies I got the more fun it was to twist them around and reply back. Besides, I need to build up my posts so I can use the arcade. J/K
I do hate ND though, not cause of the people or scene or anything, but because of this damn weather.
Thanks for making my work day fly by.
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wow.....your a dumb shit. I hope you get banned.
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