thrown timing belt on DSM
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Jim wrote:
Ok... unless I'm confused, the last time I checked: replacing valves in a head, machine work, whatever else <200. Used motor 1500-3000Yes, if the motor only needs a belt, and the valves replaced, it isn't that bad, but it isn't that cheap.
The reason I would replace a motor on a dsm is mainly if the engine has suffered major damage from the belt braking AND it has a history of low oil pressure for a significant amount of time. In this case, replacing at least 4 valves, machining the head, labor to get to all of it, flushing the coolant and changing the oil, replacing the oil pump....which is the front case assembly on a dsm...replacing all the belts including the tensioner and highly recommended pulleys, all front seals, and the labor to do all the front engine stuff....well, you get the point, it adds up quickly and gets to be way too much. Now, with the oil pump having low pressure for too long prolongs engine wear, you more likely than not have damage to the rings, bearings, and every other friction surface in the motor.
Now this is all the work that an experienced technician who has prior experience on a dsm would recommend, especially if the motor has high miles.
Also, most used motors for a dsm go for 900-1500, maybe 1800 at the most for a turbo one. With even half the labor then replacing all the parts. And we can warranty a used motor longer than the repair work that would have been done. Now, which would you chose as the customer? The AVERAGE Joe Schmo out there who just wants the motor to run to get them to point A from B. Not us others who would do all the performance mods and would pay the extra cash to have it rebuilt to a higher performance motor.
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Good luck finding anything with less then 150,000 miles on it for $900.
Used 4G63 motors DO go for 1500-3000.
The average joe schmo who buys a turbo DSM (now days remember, they are cheaper, so a younger crowd can afford them), beats the piss out of thier car.
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just for some prospective from someone else who works on dsms. when I put a hole in one of my valves. kevin refused to just rebuild the head. he told me the only way he would fix it would be to either replace the motor or have the whole engine rebuilt, because my engine had lots of miles and was worn.
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Jim wrote:
Good luck finding anything with less then 150,000 miles on it for $900.Used 4G63 motors DO go for 1500-3000.
The average joe schmo who buys a turbo DSM (now days remember, they are cheaper, so a younger crowd can afford them), beats the piss out of thier car.
I believe I just installed 2 recently to know what they go for....A BRAND NEW REMAN goes for 3K, and that is just a long block.
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considering they are gauranteed to have between 40 and 60K on them. They should, otherwise a bad rep follows.
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Did I say a turbo one was that cheap? The basic 4G63's go that cheap, while a turbo one goes upwards of 1800 for a damn good one with low miles. If you are pay any more for one, you are screwing yourself out of your money. These motors are EVERYWHERE.
Many junk yards....but then again, I have a good hook up through work.
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