Am I the only one?
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97jeep wrote:
agreed. so many things you need to think about when doing it and working on a car to do it. and then you need some skills.best way to practice drive rwd in winter
I'm not so sure about that....cuz w/ drifting you really need traction on demand to be good. Sure you can get used to the feeling of sliding, but I don't think that its quite the same trying to link your drifts together in snow/ice as it is on asphalt
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Jim wrote:
Drifting takes some crrrraazzy skill to be good at... thats for damn sureThat is why I called them controlled fuckups.
And to everyone else, I agree that it is difficult to do and takes more skill than drag racing, but I just find it horribly boring to watch after a while all I see is guys driving sideways.
But, the same could be said for drag racing, it is just guys going really fast in a really short distance.
To each their own really.
Rally on the other hand, I feel, really needs to get big in America, I love that shit.
Sorry, I take full credit for this topic getting WAAAAAAY off topic, so lets get back to the "are swaps dumb?" topic that this started out as.
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Yea I agree that it might not really be worth it..ALTHOUGH you want...do what u want and spend as much money as u want..hell if u wanna spend an extra 3 grand for a swap go for it....i drive a sohc boosted and ive beat a few b16 and b18 swapped cars...but when they get boost they fly even faster...
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tjamz wrote:
I'm not so sure about that....cuz w/ drifting you really need traction on demand to be good. Sure you can get used to the feeling of sliding, but I don't think that its quite the same trying to link your drifts together in snow/ice as it is on asphaltknow what you mean, you got to start somewhere and learn to control and make car do what you want it to do not what it wants to do. the first time i got my 240 to brake loose on pavement was such a differant feeling than when you do it on ice.
and back to swaped hondas, what about a turboed b18 in a hatch?? any opinions on that i know there a couple people who want to do it in town you think that would be worth the money??
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b18b would be because they are plentiful and can be made to have a VTEC head (LSVTEC). They can make some good numbers boosted.
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why do u dsm guys buy 6 bolts its still a 4g63 right? wouldnt that be a waste of 2g's or what ever they cost. u dont even get any extra hp out of it but i could be wrong
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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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and i find expensive honda swaps pointless...its like spending 3-4 grand for less than 200 flywheel hp...its like my stock dsm makes nearly the same hp and WAY more torqe for FAR less money...and as far as im concerned a stock dsm will last you nearly as long as a honda as long as you treat it right...and beat up the hondas while your at it too hehe!!!
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whatever happend to doing what you want? remember there are more then one way to make a car fast. what is cheaper is also whats done most often. i for one, don't like doing what everyone and their mom are doing. and seriously try making 500 hp on a d series i dare you.
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bluejays wrote:
whatever happend to doing what you want? remember there are more then one way to make a car fast. what is cheaper is also whats done most often. i for one, don't like doing what everyone and their mom are doing. and seriously try making 500 hp on a d series i dare you.
You can do what you want but if you are on a budget it is not the best way to go. Yeah if you are shitting out $100 bills go ahead then and swap in a $7k K20A then but for the common people it just isn't a great way to go.What is the most horsepower a d series has made? Nick is halfway there with a stock block.
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Bad93ex wrote:
You can do what you want but if you are on a budget it is not the best way to go. Yeah if you are shitting out $100 bills go ahead then and swap in a $7k K20A then but for the common people it just isn't a great way to go.What is the most horsepower a d series has made? Nick is halfway there with a stock block.
i agree, for a broke college/high school student spending thousands of dollars on a swap isn't the way to go. calling it pointless or dumb or a waste of money is a bit ignorant though.
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LONG POST AHEAD.......
And just because someone is going to be bitchin about proof. Here is a quote from another forum, this is just one 500 hp D series that took me about 2 min. of searching to find:
"I'm selling my 1989 CRX Si with a built and turbo'd D16Y8 in it. The setup is TurbodCX's (on honda-tech) old setup. It made 502whp and 370ft lbs of torque on 33psi with race gas. Right now it's running off of the 20psi wastegate spring, and is tuned on 93 oct. pump gas. The car runs great, I've barely driven it since it's been finished, but now I'm heading off to school and just don't have the time or money to put into it any more. I'm looking for trades or money, I spent over 7,000 dollars on the engine and turbo setup alone. PM me with reasonable offers, serious inquiries only
Interior:
Autometer Boost and Oil Pressure Gauges
Mint condition Si seats
Only damage to the interior is on the back of the door panels (common in CRX's)Exterior:
Just recently painted black
15x6.5 Rota Slipstreams
205/50/15 BFG's in front
195/50/15 Pirelli winter tires in the backUnder the Hood:
Built D16Y8 with ported and polished head
Ferrea Valvetrain
Zex Cam
Golden Eagle intake manifold
ARP Studs
Golden Eagle Sleeves
75mm Bore
Arias 8:1 Forged Pistons
Crower Billet Steel Rods
ACL Bearings
Fully Balanced Bottom End
Blue Anodized Under Drive Crank Pulley
Drag Exhaust Manifold
Tial HP 38mm Wastegate W/ 20psi spring
Blowzilla Turbo W/ .70 S Comp. .63 Exhaust
3” Down Pipe
30x6x3 Spearco intercooler painted black
TurboXS blow off valve
Clutchspecialties 4 puck sprung clutch
Hondata S200BAnd now to the pics:
Note from darkelvis: some exterior pics were removed to not take up as much space.
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Not true, a built D will hold up just as well as a built B.
Building a honda engine is the same no matter what engine it is.
eg: forged internals, upgraded cam, upgraded valvetrain, sleeves.
Once a D or B is built they will pretty much take anything that you can throw at them.
The only real difference is the B can flow more CFMs. Which will be able to make it produce more horsepower overall, but every day someone builds a stronger D. Plus D's generally come in lighter cars which makes up for the small ammount of difference with the weight to power ratio.
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