GraveDigger.

[PSiedTSi]

no actually its a 25hp difference...180 to 205...the gm 90degreeV6 (the 3800) was like one of the top 5 engines of the century...well you didnt have to use the ecu...

edit: not to mention the torque and aftermarket for the 3800 SII

[amicheze]

my old car had a series 1 3800. it was pretty quick for a grandmamobile.

[PSiedTSi]

they run forever too...thats is if you replace the intake manifold and/or manifold gasket every oil change :lol:

seems to be the same with the 3100, 3400, 3800 SI and II...the 3.4dohc is really expensive to maintain...people opt to get new motors rather than getting a new alternator...now thats horrible

[Guest]

205?? in the 98+ z34s...they had 180 is what i thought....shit i think the GTP's only have like 215 the Supercharger is small i know but ogtta have more thann 10 hp...maybe im wrong.

[amicheze]

gtps come stock with 240hp

[PSiedTSi]

umm the L67(3800 SII S/C) has 240hp and 280ft/lbs...the L36 has 205 yup...the supercharger is an eaton m90 roots type...

[Guest]

240 thats pretty bad they arent fast for 240 stock HP..but just change the pulleys and timing and they get quick real fast tho.

[amicheze]

same with the bonneville SSEi?

[PSiedTSi]

dont change the timing...you chip it...they run mid to high 14s all the way to low 15s in stock form...just remember they weigh A LOT...yeah the bonnes are the same but weigh like 500lbs more...same with the park avenue, oldsmobile 88 LSS, and riviera

[Guest]

shit bonneviles are even heavier than gtp's but shit all the handling in Gm;s SUCK ASS...or get a chip that works too.

[PSiedTSi]

i wouldnt say the handling sucks ass...theres quite a bit of suspension for the 2nd gen GPs and montes...they will handle nicely with the right equip...watch your statement not all GM cars suck at handling...theres a few i could think of that would own

[Guest]

well yeah not ALL shouldnt have said all but like the GP's i ahve driven and the monte carlos...besides the new montes they arent to bad but my cars handling sucks asss

[NickB]

grave digger followed me down 13th and rode my ass and turned off...hmm he said vtec sucks..pussy

[PSiedTSi]

thats cause its meant to be a family car...i know i drive a gp

[Guest]

he is a BIG pussy...goofy looknig guy....he likes to talk shit about hondas tho its pretty funny shoulda just lost him thats what i did.

[NickB]

i kicked it down and he tried to keep up then he turned into quiznos

[SleeperMx6]

He wanted to race me on 32nd so we raced from a roll in second and I didn't even have to shift into third, I was already three car lengths ahead of him.

[PSiedTSi]

:surprised look: lol

[Guest]

haha yeah that guy is a pretty big idiot if you ask me.

[Jim]

awh common guys. be nice. I dont mind gravedigger, he seems to be a pretty nice guy; I think he's kidding alot.

Ok. Whateva, go race... getter done! thats right!