needed soon Crx turbo manifold!
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That looks like shit. How you even can consider that looking "clean" is beyond me. Why halfass shit and use garbage?
Do it right or don't do it at all.
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Well i hate to say it but some ppl don't have $300 to spend on a log manifold. or in your case $800+ on a top mount witch is more then some ppl make in a month when there still in school....not saying that it isn't nice to have the best stuff just don't say do it right or don't do it at all. why is it only perfectly tig welded ss manifolds are alowed on cars. when did DIY become the wrong way, idk about you but i would rather see a car built buy the owner then some kid with money that knows nothing but has a SWEET setup that is done right....just pisses me off when ppl thik that there is only one way to do things
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wannabe wrote:
I would say go for Nicks manifolds at SLS. But the external wastegate to HF manifold can look clean if done right.
Looks way better than all of the external hackjobs on 4G63t mani's i've seen.It wont last. Exhaust manifolds are typically made of cast iron which does not hold a strong weld and will crack over time.
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DrifterExtreme wrote:
Well i hate to say it but some ppl don't have $300 to spend on a log manifold. or in your case $800+ on a top mount witch is more then some ppl make in a month when there still in school....not saying that it isn't nice to have the best stuff just don't say do it right or don't do it at all. why is it only perfectly tig welded ss manifolds are alowed on cars. when did DIY become the wrong way, idk about you but i would rather see a car built buy the owner then some kid with money that knows nothing but has a SWEET setup that is done right....just pisses me off when ppl thik that there is only one way to do thingsBecause typically when you do a junkyard style setup parts fail, or parts fall apart and in the long run by the time you end up fixing them and or replacing them time and time again you have almost just as much if not more i nvested into a pile of worthless parts then you would had you just bought something nice from the get go. As the saying goes "buy it nice, or buy it twice." It doesn't matter if he buys a manifold from me or from someone else, im giving my input from what i know and what i've seen in the past. I can list @ least 3 or 4 local people who did junkyard style setups and not 1 of them worked out well and a few of them blew up.
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DrifterExtreme wrote:
Well i hate to say it but some ppl don't have $300 to spend on a log manifold. or in your case $800+ on a top mount witch is more then some ppl make in a month when there still in school....not saying that it isn't nice to have the best stuff just don't say do it right or don't do it at all. why is it only perfectly tig welded ss manifolds are alowed on cars. when did DIY become the wrong way, idk about you but i would rather see a car built buy the owner then some kid with money that knows nothing but has a SWEET setup that is done right....just pisses me off when ppl thik that there is only one way to do thingsMy OLD setup was a mig welded mild steel non merge collected manifold. It worked OK I guess, but was still a piece of shit and cracked, fell apart, etc.
In this industry you 100% hands down get what you pay for. If you build it yourself, and you use cheap materials, it will fall apart. If you purchase it and it is cheap and THEY use cheap materials, it will fall apart. Building a quality manifold costs more than most think when you calculate in a QUALITY welder, gas, filler, time, materials, flange planing, etc everything adds up.
$300 or so for a manifold with a LIFETIME warranty for the original owner, built with high quality materials and welded w/ high quality equipment is pretty cheap if you ask me.
It's the same as when it comes down to tuning hardware. There is a reason the FAST CARS use EXPENSIVE engine management and not Crome or Uberdata or something else that is either cheap or free. You ALWAYS get what you pay for.
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Also, I'd rather see a HAPPY CUSTOMER with a setup that WORKS for a long time than a customer with a piece of shit setup that works for a bit but doesn't last.
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wannabe wrote:
I would say go for Nicks manifolds at SLS. But the external wastegate to HF manifold can look clean if done right.
Looks way better than all of the external hackjobs on 4G63t mani's i've seen.I give that wastegate runner about a week before it cracks at the manifold..if that. Just look at it, it is a pos. Buy an eBay manifold if you don't care if it falls apart:) Atleast it will look good to start!
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$300 or so for a manifold with a LIFETIME warranty for the original owner, built with high quality materials and welded w/ high quality equipment is pretty cheap if you ask me.
It's the same as when it comes down to tuning hardware. There is a reason the FAST CARS use EXPENSIVE engine management and not Crome or Uberdata or something else that is either cheap or free. You ALWAYS get what you pay for.
Well see not everyone makes as much money as you do not saying your rich but you have a good job that pays. your not 17-19 just out of school and want to boost your d15/d16 for some extra power. What your not understanding is that ppl can and HAVE had good setups that were cheaply put together. Also i don't know what your deal is with crome/crome pro, and uberdata but there is no reason to spend $1200 on aem ems when you can get neptune for $600 tuned or free programs. What is really wrong with a FREE tuning program? ppl make tons of power on these programs and have used them racing and on the street.also price doesn't mean shit look at one fab he fucked everyone and charged a shit ton, his manifolds also cracked. so does this mean his shit is the best because it cost $1000? fuck no
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91nbtsi wrote:
I give that wastegate runner about a week before it cracks at the manifold..if that. Just look at it, it is a pos. Buy an eBay manifold if you don't care if it falls apart:) Atleast it will look good to start!Mine worked for maybe two months
And the turbo fell off on the way to kevins lake ... but it was shiny
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DrifterExtreme wrote:
$300 or so for a manifold with a LIFETIME warranty for the original owner, built with high quality materials and welded w/ high quality equipment is pretty cheap if you ask me.It's the same as when it comes down to tuning hardware. There is a reason the FAST CARS use EXPENSIVE engine management and not Crome or Uberdata or something else that is either cheap or free. You ALWAYS get what you pay for.
Well see not everyone makes as much money as you do not saying your rich but you have a good job that pays. your not 17-19 just out of school and want to boost your d15/d16 for some extra power. What your not understanding is that ppl can and HAVE had good setups that were cheaply put together. Also i don't know what your deal is with crome/crome pro, and uberdata but there is no reason to spend $1200 on aem ems when you can get neptune for $600 tuned or free programs. What is really wrong with a FREE tuning program? ppl make tons of power on these programs and have used them racing and on the street.also price doesn't mean shit look at one fab he fucked everyone and charged a shit ton, his manifolds also cracked. so does this mean his shit is the best because it cost $1000? fuck no
CROME and Uberdata work, but i would definatly say they do not work well.
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PGMFI.org is were every free program designer hangs out (for hondas) and i think there is more then enough suport on honda-tech, hmt, turbod16, i can continue if needed. Were is the on hand assistance for aem ems there is no dyno in fargo so everyone is screwed there. also how come the OG's come out of the woodwork when someone questions another OG. It is kinda annoying... most ppl send out there ecu to be chipped.
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DrifterExtreme wrote:
$300 or so for a manifold with a LIFETIME warranty for the original owner, built with high quality materials and welded w/ high quality equipment is pretty cheap if you ask me.It's the same as when it comes down to tuning hardware. There is a reason the FAST CARS use EXPENSIVE engine management and not Crome or Uberdata or something else that is either cheap or free. You ALWAYS get what you pay for.
Well see not everyone makes as much money as you do not saying your rich but you have a good job that pays. your not 17-19 just out of school and want to boost your d15/d16 for some extra power. What your not understanding is that ppl can and HAVE had good setups that were cheaply put together. Also i don't know what your deal is with crome/crome pro, and uberdata but there is no reason to spend $1200 on aem ems when you can get neptune for $600 tuned or free programs. What is really wrong with a FREE tuning program? ppl make tons of power on these programs and have used them racing and on the street.also price doesn't mean shit look at one fab he fucked everyone and charged a shit ton, his manifolds also cracked. so does this mean his shit is the best because it cost $1000? fuck no
I RAN crome for a year it was garbage. I put and tuned the Crome in Kevin's hatchback, it sucks, and neptune is $600 tuned when you travel to an authorized tuner. I'd much rather tune it myself, it is my car after all. As far as AEM EMS support, who says you need a dyno?
Joe runs EMS in his EVO, 11.7 @ 120 street tuned. I have EMS in my integra with a mildly modified basemap and went 11.8 @ 124 on PUMP and wastegate boost with a TON of tuning to do (was going to track tune it). I can count almost 10 cars in town running AEM EMS. When it comes to making big power the cheap engine managements do NOT have the features necessary to go fast, nor would I want to deal with the limitations provided by the stock Honda ECU. Been there, done that, with both Hondata and Crome.
Your onefab complaint is not even valid being he is a SHITTY business man. His early manifolds were some of the nicest pieces on the market. He got too big too quick and was too big of a douche to stop taking orders.
And also, I may have a real job, but when I was fresh out of HS I ALSO had a real job and have always bought the best parts. Why deal with stuff twice? No expense spared on my motor and 4.5 years later it's still never been taken apart. Why cheap out? If you can't afford to do it right, WAIT, SAVE, and do it right at a later date. It -ALWAYS- works out better in the end.
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Your still not getting my point i understand that buying the "good " stuff is smarter but what your missing is that it works fine for the average person doing things to cars.Not everyone wants to make 500+ hp and run 10-11's. So again i will say this you don't "need" the best stuff to have a fast car but you seem to think you do. I'm not saying it will last 1000's of runs down the track, I'm trying to say that ppl have gotten the same results with free programs and cheap products as someone running aem and full race top of the line stuff. you keep refering to how long things last i'm not arguing there. but i think that just because you had a bad experience that it is shitty and sucks. but i think it works great for 99% of ppl doing these things to there car. So your saying if a guy wants to make 200 hp he should spend $1200 on engine manegment? doesn't make sence does it.
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DrifterExtreme wrote:
Your still not getting my point i understand that buying the "good " stuff is smarter but what your missing is that it works fine for the average person doing things to cars.Not everyone wants to make 500+ hp and run 10-11's. So again i will say this you don't "need" the best stuff to have a fast car but you seem to think you do. I'm not saying it will last 1000's of runs down the track, I'm trying to say that ppl have gotten the same results with free programs and cheap products as someone running aem and full race top of the line stuff. you keep refering to how long things last i'm not arguing there. but i think that just because you had a bad experience that it is shitty and sucks. but i think it works great for 99% of ppl doing these things to there car. So your saying if a guy wants to make 200 hp he should spend $1200 on engine manegment? doesn't make sence does it.Kevins setup right now is making MAYBE 250 whp on 10 psi and the free EMS terrible handling of IATs had me about ready to throw Crome in the garbage and give him my EMS to use.
Stock motor and a turbo kit and it is already running into issues caused by free crap. Why cheap out on THE MOST important part of your setup. I know a lot of people who have personally run Crome and almost all have switched to something legit that works. AEM itself is on the cheap end of the "legit" engine managements, and I myself, if I could justify it, would switch away from AEM and move to a Motec. I'll see where this gets me for now.
And for my next "performance oriented" vehicle, it's first mod is gonna be a stand alone. Might as well get it out of the way first.
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I don't know yet. The next car will not be performance oriented.
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Ok, untill we go any further about the issue being discussed, maybe we should ask the person looking for a manifold what he was going for. If he wanted all-out-race then yes, probly the more expensive manifold and tuning, but if looking to..oh i dunno, beat someones mom's b16 (torbs), then just go for something cheap/easy to find. just my 2 cents.
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