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  • 2wheeler2 Offline
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    2wheeler
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    #10

    treimche wrote:
    Technology wins, if it didn't all the really fast guys would still be running carbs, no?

    They ARE still running carbs.
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    '08 Suzuki Hayabusa
    '09 Yamaha Zuma 200cc
    '95 E-350 7.5L

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    • wesholeW Offline
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      Rules require that.^

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      • 2wheeler2 Offline
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        2wheeler
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        weshole wrote:
        Rules require that.^
        And the quicker EFI cars are......?

        '08 Suzuki Hayabusa
        '09 Yamaha Zuma 200cc
        '95 E-350 7.5L

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          I'll admit they do have very impressive hp #'s. (some of the highest out of a gasoline engine) But I'm pretty sure that if fuel injection was made legal to run on top fuel and funny cars, that would happen. It probably would take little bit to perfect but, I know that it would ultimately prove to be the MORE EFFICIENT form of fueling a car.

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          • integra_gsr98I Offline
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            I swear I remember reading an article from a prominant motor builder/tuner that stated under heavy load a carb actually atomizes the fuel better than an EFI. However at low throttle the carb loses hands down to the EFI system.

            And aren't top fuel cars more of a direct injection style system? W/ pneumatics and timers controlling fuel delivery?

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              I also read that the carbs atomize better. Carbs are also simpler for some people to set up and use. They are also cheaper most of the time.

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              • 2wheeler2 Offline
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                I'm not trying to promote carbs. I don't run them on my bike(completely different than a car though), but the main thing is you need to be realistic when it comes to what you want/can spend.

                Dave and Matt run very quick times on EFI, but neither of their setups are what I would consider cheap.(Taking into consideration the "retail" value of their work. Just because Matt tinned his whole car, doesn't mean that everyone may have that ability. To me, that work has value.)

                On the other hand, look at Christian's old Capri, that car had very little into in $$-wise, and went 11.3. It was also a 5-speed car that he could(and did) drive EVERYWHERE. Put a C4 in that car and it would have run 10s no problem.

                I would talk to Christian and Andy(Dynotune). I would bet you'll be able to get an earfull from both of them on both sides of the subject.

                '08 Suzuki Hayabusa
                '09 Yamaha Zuma 200cc
                '95 E-350 7.5L

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                    I don't know on the small stuff but on small/big blocks the carb will always put down more power than EFI hands down... With EFI you get the driveability and the fuel economy with it......

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                    • 2wheeler2 Offline
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                      XJHEAD wrote:
                      I don't know on the small stuff but on small/big blocks the carb will always put down more power than EFI hands down... With EFI you get the driveability and the fuel economy with it......
                      EXACTLY ^^^^^what he said^^^^^

                      '08 Suzuki Hayabusa
                      '09 Yamaha Zuma 200cc
                      '95 E-350 7.5L

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                      • DaveHD Offline
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                        Good grief you guys... Top fuelers don't have carbs, they are mechanically fuel injected. Basically they are EFI without the E.

                        DaveH
                        '94 Supra- 7.77 @ 176mph

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                          DaveH wrote:
                          Good grief you guys... Top fuelers don't have carbs, they are mechanically fuel injected. Basically they are EFI without the E.

                          YA!! So THERE!!!! Put that in ur pipe and smoke it.

                          So really, I wasn't sure about that so I assumed they were carbed cuz Ethan posted it as such. Shame on me for not being better versed in top fuel cars and also for believing him.:o

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                            Rule #1: Never believe Ethan.:icon_cyclops_ani:

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                              Man Law.^

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                                integra_gsr98
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                                Didn't I say that?

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                                  I suppose each application would have a different outcome, but on sprint cars (something I know from experience) just going from an alcohol carb to a hilborn injection (mechanical) is right around a 75 horse increase at upper rpm(6500-9000) but at lower rpm around 3000 (which besides idling and warm up sprint cars never run at) they are close in hp, a slight edge for the injection

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                                    2wheeler
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                                    Aw Wes, someday you'll get yer own sack and be able to stop riding Dave's. 🙂

                                    '08 Suzuki Hayabusa
                                    '09 Yamaha Zuma 200cc
                                    '95 E-350 7.5L

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                                      2wheeler
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                                      Ok, since everyone on here knows everything.....is 6.5s good enough?

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                                      '08 Suzuki Hayabusa
                                      '09 Yamaha Zuma 200cc
                                      '95 E-350 7.5L

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                                        2wheeler wrote:
                                        Ok, since everyone on here knows everything.....is 6.5s good enough?

                                        no, cause top fuel drags dont have a problem running into the 4's...

                                        Getcher green hat, we are goin fishin.

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                                          2wheeler
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                                          92BlackTT wrote:
                                          no, cause top fuel drags dont have a problem running into the 4's...
                                          Try to follow along, I know it's tough, but we've already established that TF doesn't run a carburetor. Kthxbye.

                                          '08 Suzuki Hayabusa
                                          '09 Yamaha Zuma 200cc
                                          '95 E-350 7.5L

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