Sti vs. Evo
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haha... the 100-300 rpm differnece or whatever you guys think is going to make the shiet spool slower, is bull shit. just as garberg said you'll never noticed a difference ricing it around.
plus, a FMIC looks cooler... and thats what matters right? shit... u dont see a WRX and are like :omg: its freaking sweet it has a top mount... but if you see a big ass shiny front mount :OMG: sweet a big front mount lol... yeah i know im a ricer.
I like kirk's car alot, it feels cozy or something... evo's feel like DSM's... both are cool but I think i'd take the Evo just cuase... fuck i don tknow it'd prob break but id still be happy?
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Jim wrote:
haha... the 100-300 rpm differnece or whatever you guys think is going to make the shiet spool slower, is bull shit. just as garberg said you'll never noticed a difference ricing it around.Jim, from experience....it was a big difference, at least 500 to 600 RPM. When it was cool outside the TMIC was sufficient, once the TMIC got heat soaked the difference wasn't as noticeable in short. Since my TMIC got heat soaked FAST w/ the 18G on, I felt the lag is/was well worth it in the long run and ESPECIALLY for drag racing where lag didn't mean anything since I was full spool on launch anyway, but having a much cooler intake mani temp meant a lot.
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Man I love EVOs and I love STis. Just glad we get to chose from two really great choices on a AWD turbo platform. The evo is easier/cheaper to work on, make faster, and upgrade, but I love my STi. TMICs suck ass on a daily driver level in my opinion, well at least in the summer anyway. You do get heatsoak fairly bad and yes there are ways to combat this, but my favorite way is an FMIC. There's lots of things I want to add to this but I gotta go eat. They are both awesome cars. I just love the boxer rumble
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schultzy last thing you should be doin is eating.
you bowlin tomorrow btw?
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i like both i went with the evo cause there are a lot less around.
sean
06 EVO IX with sun sound and leather package.(RIP)
color: electric blue
mods: WORKS drop in filter and mud flaps :rolleyes:
1/4 mile was 13.3 with a 1.8 60' at 104(all stock) -
MethodlesS wrote:
The TMIC on sti's see very little heat soak because of the way exhaust is removed, and the positioning of the actual IC, TMIC on say MS6 would definitely see differenceGo let a sti idle for 20 mins and it will be heat soaked no go touch a fmic on an evo and wow its cold... hmm tmic sucks dick!!!And turbo lag??? haha you got to be kidding me come drive my evo and after your done lets talk turbo lag.. boosts like a t-25 with the power of a 16g w/ 10.5 cm exhaust side...
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i love it when people say putting a fmic on a 14B dsm loses power. that little turbo wont make enough flow to fill it up!!!
haha.
anyways. i prefer the EVO's looks, drivetrain, ease to work on, ect. but for a DD that you keep stock ide say there pretty damn close
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ever changed a clutch in an evo???? STi wins right there....
the new S204 STi owns all...evo's cant even come close...STi's are just as easy to work on as evo's..
ill give you that the STi's handling and steering is foked but with minor adjustments its pretty good but then its still WITH minor adjustments...
and evo's are for chumps..
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slowvo wrote:
i love it when people say putting a fmic on a 14B dsm loses power. that little turbo wont make enough flow to fill it up!!!haha.
anyways. i prefer the EVO's looks, drivetrain, ease to work on, ect. but for a DD that you keep stock ide say there pretty damn close
The more volume of air you have the longer it will take to compress it...
Just changing to an FMIC doesn't mean you are going to have tons more volume though. The gains you get having less pressure drop will probably overcome the increase in volume. With a small turbo, you shouldn't notice much.
FAH Q wrote:
ever changed a clutch in an evo???? STi wins right there....
the new S204 STi owns all...evo's cant even come close...STi's are just as easy to work on as evo's..
ill give you that the STi's handling and steering is foked but with minor adjustments its pretty good but then its still WITH minor adjustments...
and evo's are for chumps..
I have changed a few clutches in evos...have you? However, I haven't touched an STi, so I can't really compare the two. I do know that working on the evo is easy, I don't get why people say they are hard?
They both have their ups and downs... It all comes down to what you like.
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FAH Q wrote:
ever changed a clutch in an evo???? STi wins right there....
the new S204 STi owns all...evo's cant even come close...STi's are just as easy to work on as evo's..
ill give you that the STi's handling and steering is foked but with minor adjustments its pretty good but then its still WITH minor adjustments...
and evo's are for chumps..
Hey they made like 600 of thos s204 and none are in the USA... hmm However, for a car costing upward of $43,000 — that's $14,000 more than a standard Japan-spec STI — you'd expect to have your pants blown off. Although the S204 is quick out of the blocks, it's not explosive acceleration, and could do with another 50 hp - Said one writer..06 evo vs 06 sti...
However, the manic Evo is still the more refined and capable performance machine. It's faster, turns in significantly better handling numbers and supplies its driver with more feedback. A lot more feedback.
Evo is the one to get if you want the most fun per hard-earned dollar.One editor said he was more susceptible to missing a shift in the Evo than in the STI. We're guessing that's because things happen faster in the Mitsu, increasing the chance of driver error.
On the skid pad, it managed 0.93g, tying with the Subaru. The Evo exhibited more body roll than the STI but was easier to rotate. Our test car's best 60-0 stopping distance was 115.8 feet. The Subie's best was 114.5 feet. one point for sti.... lol But we wonder if the STI is really making as much power as Subaru claims. At the test track it took 5.4 seconds to reach 60 mph to the Evo's 4.9. It began to close the distance by the quarter-mile, though its 13.6-second run was still three-tenths of a second behind the Mitsubishi.Does anyone know what they put down on a awd dyno jet? Stock?
The STI has more lag off the line and doesn't seem to rev as quickly. Going to the 7,000-rpm redline feels like an option, not a necessity as in the Evo. If you take that option, the torque comes spilling out and, said our top test-driver, "it feels and sounds very abusive." If you don't, the STI putters along contentedly, saving its performance capabilities for another day.I guess that tmic didnt help too much... also whos turbo is larger?
"This vehicle is amazing. It is lightning fast, handles like it's on rails, and is just exciting to drive. It's a vehicle that is as fast as a Corvette, handles like a Lotus Elise, and yet can run in bad weather. I couldn't recommend it enough..
I guess Evo is a better car stock vs stock....
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not to beat a dead horse, but this is like 2004 terroritory
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STiSchucky wrote:
schultzy last thing you should be doin is eating.you bowlin tomorrow btw?
Not sure and yeah, I know I know
Saying which one is better for whatever reason is the old argument my dad can beat up your dad. If you really need to identify with one of the two and defend it to the end like the old chevy vs ford vs mopar debate, great, but the fact of the matter is they are both great cars. Things I like, yes just me, my opinions, about both cars:EVO: #1 Has got to be for me the quicker steering rack and the ease of upgradability on cams, turbo, anything engine related, etc.
STI: #1 Brick shithouse tranny and more displacement to work with stock.
EVO: #2 Motor is WELL known and upgrades mostly readily made for it before the EVO even ever came out over here.
STI: #2 Brick shithouse tranny and more displacement to work with stock. (worth mentioning twice)
EVO: #3 Awesome handling characteristics for a front engined AWD car even without the active YAW and stability control available in the models not sold to stupid americans who no fear and respect Godzilla.
STI: #3 Tied for #3 boxer rumble (unequal length headers), a great handling car, very, very well mannered car, even at the limits of handling.
To say one is better than the other is human nature, but I think both in stock form they both have their own outstanding merits. Bang for the buck HP wise, goes to the EVO, no questions asked. And as far as the TMIC vs FMIC debate goes, OMG get a clue, this is a guy talking who's driven around with a TMIC for at least over 2 years now damn near EVERYDAY.... get a clue TMICs are great if you are ALWAYS moving or it's colder than sheet out. Otherwise a properly sized FMIC, piping, and tuning is the way to go, PERIOD, no other questions/comments needed.
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Sweet-WRX-Lovin wrote:
TMICs suck ass on a daily driver level in my opinion, well at least in the summer anyway.So you would rather stick the IC core in front of your AC condenser + Rad. in a summer dalily driver?? If your talking about a daily driver...like it seems you are
Both have their pros/cons....ESPECIALLY at stock power levels.... you should lighten up
I drove with topmount as well.... so dont accuse me of not having a clue
I can certainly say i notice the higher effort of engine cooling when the ambient temps are around 100....TMIC vs FMIC On a stock Rad even with AC removed
Both cars are designed for what they are....each component works as it is designed to in stock trim...
Once you start adding hp sure the advantages of a FMIC will outway those of a TMIC
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Didn't mean it to sound however you took that. TMICs on the SUBARU stink IMO for a daily driver. The cooling system is more than capable of handling itself with the intercooler infront of it, on the SUBARU.
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I'm w/ Sweet-WRX-Lovin here, there was noticeably less lag when I was TMIC but the heat soak on my FMIC is non-existant compared to my TMIC which MORE than makes up the difference. I'll never own another vehicle that is still utilizing a TMIC if I can afford the FMIC.
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Zach, you know as well as I do that the rotary is a real HEAT MONGER. Especially when compared to ordinary piston engines. The Rx7 is also a hard car to keep cool with a front mount. The Subarus seem to be ALOT less affected by this and are easier to keep cool with a FMIC in place.
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