Junkyard Turbo Setup
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seanjohn wrote:
I do not recall ever saying AFC was not the correct way to tune, If I did...It was simply a misunderstanding. I am NOT the type of person to claim that what I do is THE right way. However, chipped ECU's have always worked for me. Maybe AFC's have always worked for you...but the vast majority of people I talk to suggest staying away from AFC's.Typically, what I do is have a chip burned based on my setup. I then take this base map and have it tuned of A/F ratio. I do this because my setup is a little beyond mild. For the typical streetcar with bolt-on's I don't find it absolutely essential...of course you will gain some power, but its a trade in with the $ factor. I don't even know what the hell we are talking about, cause it sounds like you agree with what I do is right, and I'm definitely not saying your way is wrong. Different strokes for different folks. Just for shits it cost me app. $300 for a near perfect tune...what does it cost to go the AFC route. I'm curious, like I said, I have little-to-no experience with the AFC.
Are you even running a boosted setup? On a NA application this isn't even worth it for a car w/ bolt on's. You can pick up brand new AFC2's for $300, less if you go for an old AFC. @ this rate you have the on the fly adjustability. We have dyno'd many vehicles w/ these chips burnt based off the setup, they are never even close. What the point of having that chip burnt when your gonna go back in there and redo it anyways. How would you even know where to start if you were going to burn me a chip for my setup w/o having the vehicle on a wideband.
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PSI2HI wrote:
Are you even running a boosted setup? On a NA application this isn't even worth it for a car w/ bolt on's. You can pick up brand new AFC2's for $300, less if you go for an old AFC. @ this rate you have the on the fly adjustability. We have dyno'd many vehicles w/ these chips burnt based off the setup, they are never even close. What the point of having that chip burnt when your gonna go back in there and redo it anyways. How would you even know where to start if you were going to burn me a chip for my setup w/o having the vehicle on a wideband.For most people a chip would work if it was burnt on the dyno and tuned perfectly. Most people dont do that though they order these chips offline that are burnt based off a setup and they are never close the A/F maps are junk and they make no power. For simplicity, i can take a car put a AFC on it, slap the wideband on, go out for a half hour and be done w/ a perfectly tuned car now the persaon doesn't have to worry about finding a dyno, finding someone to adjust their chip, and finding someone to reburn the chip.
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PSI2HI wrote:
For most people a chip would work if it was burnt on the dyno and tuned perfectly. Most people dont do that though they order these chips offline that are burnt based off a setup and they are never close the A/F maps are junk and they make no power. For simplicity, i can take a car put a AFC on it, slap the wideband on, go out for a half hour and be done w/ a perfectly tuned car now the persaon doesn't have to worry about finding a dyno, finding someone to adjust their chip, and finding someone to reburn the chip.I have a base map burned typically to get the car in range of a good tune. Since Dyno tuning is usually around $100 an hour, I like to get it as close as I can before I bring it in. I run a nitroused ls/vtec right now, but it is soon to be supercharged around 7lbs. If you can promise me a near perfect tune on your wideband with and AFC for a descent price, you've got yourself a new customer. I haven't used an AFC before, but if it really is that easy I'll bite on it.
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seanjohn wrote:
I have a base map burned typically to get the car in range of a good tune. Since Dyno tuning is usually around $100 an hour, I like to get it as close as I can before I bring it in. I run a nitroused ls/vtec right now, but it is soon to be supercharged around 7lbs. If you can promise me a near perfect tune on your wideband with and AFC for a descent price, you've got yourself a new customer. I haven't used an AFC before, but if it really is that easy I'll bite on it.You have that green 4dr integra? I'd turbo way before i ever thought of supercharging, why no turbo?
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PSI2HI wrote:
You have that green 4dr integra? I'd turbo way before i ever thought of supercharging, why no turbo?I've got a suzuka blue crx hf. The reason I'm going to supercharge is I'm running about 10.4:1 compressions plus a 100shot now. I'm gonna drop the shot to 75, and I don't want to change the bottom end setup...the most boost I will probably run is 7lbs or so, and for that amount of boost a JR is cheaper. Do you have a rom burner Nick, or editor of any sort (Hondata, AEM)?
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LankorDie wrote:
I'm also quite interested in this question. BTW sean we can do datalogging if you ever need to do that.Do you have a Wide Band Sean?
I thought about buying one with my brother, I'm actually looking into it now. But if SLS isn't too expensive I might just end up using theirs.
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seanjohn wrote:
I've got a suzuka blue crx hf. The reason I'm going to supercharge is I'm running about 10.4:1 compressions plus a 100shot now. I'm gonna drop the shot to 75, and I don't want to change the bottom end setup...the most boost I will probably run is 7lbs or so, and for that amount of boost a JR is cheaper. Do you have a rom burner Nick, or editor of any sort (Hondata, AEM)?Shit, i've seen you drive down Fiechtner past the shop numerous times. I think you were in GF when i was up there this past summer w/ my white Teg. IntegraGSR_98 has a editotr/romulator and i have the wideband, etc..
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PSI2HI wrote:
Shit, i've seen you drive down Fiechtner past the shop numerous times. I think you were in GF when i was up there this past summer w/ my white Teg. IntegraGSR_98 has a editotr/romulator and i have the wideband, etc..I was never in GF, but you've maybe seen me around town.
I'm giving this AFC option a bit more thought, and I will look into it. HOWEVER...
There is still a chance I'd like to stay the chipped route. In this case, I need to figure out what kind of editor to use for a pr3, then we could strap it on your wideband and create/burn maps. I wish I had some experience with map editing.
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If you want to stick with the chipped route the minimum I would recommend would be to go with an older Hondata 2b. (right around $400 for this setup) That way there will be boost tables, legit heavily used software, and I have everything necessary to tune and install it. The only thing necessary would be the use of my stage 4 system for datalogging during the initial tune.
Otherwise I also have Uberdata laying around, (right around $25 for this setup) and although it has zero datalogging capabilities, I know tuftes wideband should be able to handle rpm to a/f ratio logging.
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integra_gsr98 wrote:
If you want to stick with the chipped route the minimum I would recommend would be to go with an older Hondata 2b. (right around $400 for this setup) That way there will be boost tables, legit heavily used software, and I have everything necessary to tune and install it. The only thing necessary would be the use of my stage 4 system for datalogging during the initial tune.Otherwise I also have Uberdata laying around, (right around $25 for this setup) and although it has zero datalogging capabilities, I know tuftes wideband should be able to handle rpm to a/f ratio logging.
I'd rather stay away from hondata just for cost reasons, and would prefer to tune with uberdata or turbo edit witha wideband. How much for your time and a burned chip?
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We could work something out for that. Is the ECU for the vehicle chipped already? Or does it still have to be socketed?
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integra_gsr98 wrote:
We could work something out for that. Is the ECU for the vehicle chipped already? Or does it still have to be socketed?Well, I was planning on sending it away to get it socketed, but if you know how to do it, I'll give you some business. I'll need a map for my soon-to-be setup, and then we'll have to do it again in about a year when I go turbo. Let me know.
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