So....."Nigger" = "Fighting Sioux"?????
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Well here is my opinion and I live in Grand Forks.... UND offers the Native Americans that want to attend their college many benefits. They go to school for free basically. They get scholarships if they do good in there first year of school. They get so many things but they are still not happy. You are never going to make everyone happy in todays society.
I also do believe it is written in Ralph Engelstads will that if they do change the name that it will be boarded up and not used my the University. Thats why if you go in there and look around you will notice that it either says Fighting Sioux, Sioux, or there is emblem whereever you look in that place. I think thats the smartest he could of done is put logos everywhere. It would cost the University millions and millions of dollars to change all the logos and everything. I believe if they get rid of the name get rid of all the things that the natives get. Why should we have to pay to make someone happy?? -
The complaint african americans have is that no matter what name "white people" call them, it's a name that was given to them, not one they chose for themselves. Thus the popularity of "african american".
The Souix complaint doesn't appear to be any different.
The claim that "souix" and "nigger" are the same is probably overblown, as there aren't the large negative cultural connotations with "Souix". For sports teams with names like "Redskins" I think there's a better case for it being derogatory.
What's also problematic is the charicatures of Indians commonly used in sports teams logos. Imagine someone using a blackface or 70s style drawing of a black man (enlarged lips, ultra wide nose, afro, etc) as a sports mascot.
I do think we need to do something about the reservation issue. Many reservations are bastions of povery, drunkenness, etc. I don't remember reading anywhere that people have a right to a certain way of life in perpetuity, all tax-payer subsidized. The Amish for instance do not receive federal subsidization as far as I know.
fwiw, I'm a couple generations removed from full-blooded Winnebago (look it up. They're in Nebraska) Indian, but I self-identify as a caucasian. None of this stuff bothers me, but then not much does. That said, I can see where they're coming from to a degree, which I've tried to outline above.
As an aside, people that look at me think I'm mexican, pacific islander, or any other things, but I'm basically a mutt. You won't see many native americans with the amount of back hair I have.
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thrash;196632 wrote:
As an aside, people that look at me think I'm mexican, pacific islander, or any other things, but I'm basically a mutt. You won't see many native americans with the amount of back hair I have.I haven't laughed that hard in a week. oh my god. that was fucking hilarious.
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I'm 2/3 ingin and I could give 2 shits about all this crap. I'm just a mix breed timbernigger. I've got more important things to worry about than what society chooses to label me as. To me they are just words used to label someone. And it's just that... words. It's just people using a name as an excuse to be mad and claiming to be victimized by society. * "Oh... poor me.... Look at me....I'm so abused by society....I am soo hurt.. I cant function now.... What am I to do?"*Attention whores!!!!!
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Nice thread Ethan, I'm suprised you actually posted again after the original post. :drunken_smilie: ha haa....
Well, I think everyone else has pretty much summed it up. It's freakin rediculous that some old chief has nothing better to do that complain about a college mascot. It's a freaking college mascot for shit sakes. Next thing you know, some athiest is going to complain about the Devils Lake Satans mascot. Oh, nevermind... thats already gone too.
If someone is offended by something, who cares. STFU I say.
DaveH
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I didn't read all the final responses, but i agree that we need to cancel the programs they get. At UND, they basically go as far as they want in school for free. In the med school (possibly elsewhere, but i know this for a fact) indians have there own lounge with tons of nice shit in it and special tutors to help them with everything, and you are not allowed in unless you are indian. Also, all the stuff about the ralph getting demo'd if they changed the name is RUMOR. The ralph announced last week that they are still waiting to decide whether they will allow UND to play there anymore if they change the name. The ppl that run it now have the right to decide if they want to allow them to continue to use it. They would have to get rid of most of the sioux logos in there though, which is alot. They could keep all the championship banners, pictures, and all of that tho.
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Bunique;196667 wrote:
Why doesn't anyone have a Mexican Mascot. Like el mariachi's or something. OOooo or maybe boarder jumpers for like a track team or maybe the swim team.Just throwin ideas out there.
frito lay used to have the frito bandito as their mascot back in the 50s. look it up, funny little dude.
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Bunique;196667 wrote:
OOooo or maybe boarder jumpers for like a track team or maybe the swim team.ROFL
I say UND should cut off all of their special treatment for the tribe's students and make them pay for a new arena if they want them to change their name. The school shouldn't have to suffer because some old farts don't have anything else to complain about, especially since they get government checks and breaks while going there.
Shit I should go protest Notre Dame's Fighting Irish name because it makes me out to be someone who gets drunk all the time and starts fights...
...oh wait...
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Its politics and how the "Sioux" tribe wants more money. Like most of you said, I think it would be an honor to have a name of college that does so well in sports. Its really stupid I personally think on how the tribe is getting so hurt about this. They werent complaining a couple years ago, know why all of a sudden its a big deal? You dont see the "Utah Utes" and that tribe getting mad about it or the San Diego Padres and the catholic church. All in all I just think its money that the tribe wants.
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inspector01;196673 wrote:
At UND, they basically go as far as they want in school for free. In the med school (possibly elsewhere, but i know this for a fact) indians have there own lounge with tons of nice shit in it and special tutors to help them with everything, and you are not allowed in unless you are indian.Sure sounds like discrimination if you ask me...I'd sue them just for not giving u that opportunity cuz your white...wow affirmative action at it's finest. Lets make a law for equal rights, and just use it to give special treatment to minorities and turn the white ppl into the oppressed group.
I think people all need to stop there bitching and get the fucking sand outa their vag. Start a team called the "fighting crackers" see if I give a shit. Call me what u want, it's just a NAME, if people cant take getting called a name go back to elementary school... I think we should stop holding their hands too, they've had 100 years assistance I think they can get back on their feet by now, same with black people slavery has been over for plenty long. It's all just an excuse to leach off of people that actually go out and earn a living. My family didnt own slaves or kill any indians so I shouldn't owe them shit...get your own job and make your own money.
If it were up to me the government would stop giving handouts to people... What ever happend to natural selection, and "only the strong survive". If u can't provide shelter for yourself or cant put food on the table, tough shit. If my grandpa can go from eating lard and bread sandwiches, going to school till the 4th grade, and being dirt poor as a kid to owning several businesses and being able to carry enough cash in his wallet to buy the best caddies and chryslers money could buy back in the day, anyone can. It's just people nowdays are usually too fucking lazy to go work their asses off to get somewheres in life, cuz our society doesnt push it, they just know the govt will give them what they need to get by.
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d^flex;196675 wrote:
frito lay used to have the frito bandito as their mascot back in the 50s. look it up, funny little dude.Come on now!!! It wasn't that long ago!
<singing a tune> Aieee yaiee yay yaaaaaaieeee..... I am the Frito Bandito!!!
DaveH
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LOL this is amusing, and i do also think the "tribes" are whining for attention/money? i dunno it is bull shit, that we have to pay reperations for over a hundred years to a people that a majority of do nothing but buy new cars (that usually dont last a year cause they get parked in a lake(devils lake
) and drink it away. and someone (i thik tjamz) mentioned "SIOUX MFG" right on! hypicrittacle pricks. thats not the pot calling the kettle black or anything. -
bubba;196772 wrote:
Sure sounds like discrimination if you ask me...I'd sue them just for not giving u that opportunity cuz your white...wow affirmative action at it's finest. Lets make a law for equal rights, and just use it to give special treatment to minorities and turn the white ppl into the oppressed group.funny thing is, they say in a couple of years, whites are going to be the minority to people of african american, latin, and asian, and arabic descent. and i guarantee when that happens(we all know it will), nothing will change, and people will still expect handouts because they USED to be the minority..... :icon_shaking:
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I went to a highschool with a mandatory bussing system (kids were bussed around to different schools to meet racial quotas).
I can assure you that many of the black kids in my school didn't want to be "integrated", and that "reverse-racism" is alive and well amongst some people.
Being a white minority in that situation was occasionally unpleasant.
Multi-culturalism is a good then when done well. It's an ugly thing when it's done badly. Since government always does a bad job at everything.... well you can guess where I'm going
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