In the late 1920s the German economy collapsed....
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Mazdaspeed6;214968 wrote:
So you believe everything he says with researching historical facts? I love ministers don't get me wrong, I grew up a pastor's kid. But not everything that comes from the pulpit is true or how God feels, and that's where DISCERNMENT is crucial.Black people have killed white people wrongfully, we can point fingers all day long. Who's to say our country didn't rip the Indians off worse, it all depends on your point of view. Both sides of my family imigrated. Even if my grandparents were part of the KKK, that had nothing to do with me. The son should not bear the sins of the father IMHO.
About the atomic bombs, I dunno it kinda worked fine. It's sad that it had to happen but how can you skip over Pearl harbor? We have a great relationship with Japan now to the best of my knowlege.
I don't disagree with you. I don't think Reverend Wright would either and I think his comments were taken either out of context or too literally. There's plenty of great people in this country and no where I'd rather live but the country itself (the people we put in charge of representing it) have made some pretty unforgivable mistakes.
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Tad218;214972 wrote:
I don't disagree with you. I don't think Reverend Wright would either and I think his comments were taken either out of context or too literally. There's plenty of great people in this country and no where I'd rather live but the country itself (the people we put in charge of representing it) have made some pretty unforgivable mistakes.Not trying to be a prick, my response was based on your statement and I quote
"And Wright did nothing but tell the truth. "
I dunno I'm pretty tired today, am I missing something?
And nobody deserves the blessing of God, me included. But that's the beauty of it, He chooses to bless us anyway. I personally believe abortion and the legalization of gay marriage can also take away the blessing of God in this country too... But I don't expect everyone to agree with me.
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Well he told the truth as far as we've made mistakes and probably don't deserve to be blessed by God (not his exact words) and you're right in that we all sin or have our own views (not atomic bomb sin but you know) as a country and as individuals but our forgiving God will bless us anyway.
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MisterCMK;214967 wrote:
I don't give a shit if they can. Sorry to be so blunt, but the working lower class needs to worry about themselves as do I. If they cannot afford the health insurance that Chuck has then they best look for a cheaper/different plan or get a better job.In that case i hope that you never get elected to a local office.
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MisterCMK;214967 wrote:
I don't give a shit if they can. Sorry to be so blunt, but the working lower class needs to worry about themselves as do I. If they cannot afford the health insurance that Chuck has then they best look for a cheaper/different plan or get a better job.We have a winner folks!
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GarageAlchemist;214982 wrote:
In that case i hope that you never get elected to a local office.I'm starting to feel more like a republican every day...and here is the dilemma, my heart says "yes, let's help everyone we can afford everything they want through gov't programs", whereas my brain says "WTF, if I can make it, anyone can!". I was a C average student in HS, went to one semester at NDSCS before dropping out, went on to Mobile Dynamics (trade school for car audio), got my MECP/EIA certification. Worked for various different stereo shops for a couple years until the autostart craze hit...then I went on my own...worked hard for several winters straight to earn some cash/pay off some debt. Got some other side jobs for the summers (customer service, eventually management)...kept my head up and kept learning from every job I did. Finally landed a job with SimplexGrinnell as a Fire Alarm Tech, started making a decent living...kept learning, growing, putting up with BS...got promoted to a sales position....was #7 in the Nation last year in volume of sales (there were 325 others that do the same thing I did in the US), #3 in percentage above quota....kept going, kept learning...opportunity came up at Nardini Fire Equipment as a System Designer & Department head...got offered a lot more money to make the move.... Now I make a very good living (IMO) and did it all w/o a college education or gov't handouts. During some of my earlier years, I earned under $12k/year...I was broke. I learned one thing from that...I don't like being broke, vowed never to go down that road again. I didn't get "lucky" in life, I worked hard to get where I'm at. I refuse to reward mediocrity....and don't believe the Gov't should either.
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Well said Chuck, my thoughts exactly. I will say that there are some times when someone does get dealt a tough hand and needs some help so there is some need for assistance programs. However, these are not supposed to be permanent and they should not be milking the system which seems to be the case these days.
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Then how, do you propose we get the poor to not be poor? What we are doing now obivously isnt working, so what can be done what would work? The poor draw welfare, and we pay for that, so how do we get them off our backs?
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MisterCMK;214997 wrote:
Well said Chuck, my thoughts exactly. I will say that there are some times when someone does get dealt a tough hand and needs some help so there is some need for assistance programs. However, these are not supposed to be permanent and they should not be milking the system which seems to be the case these days.Right, I am not saying ban the welfare system in this country, just revamp it...make it beneficial to get off of it....heck allow people to be on welfare AND work for 3 months at a regular job to get them on their feet....or make them work if they are on welfare. Get them a job picking up garbage, working with kids, whatever, so that they can at least earn that gov't check.
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So we get them a job picking up garbage, they make minimum wage, which wont be enough to pay for rent, a car (and all it entails), medical insurance, food. Long term, how do they become un-poor if you will, for good. No welfare relapse. And what if they get hurt? No medical insurace, and bam, they are in debt, and cant work.
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GarageAlchemist;215004 wrote:
So we get them a job picking up garbage, they make minimum wage, which wont be enough to pay for rent, a car (and all it entails), medical insurance, food. Long term, how do they become un-poor if you will, for good. No welfare relapse. And what if they get hurt? No medical insurace, and bam, they are in debt, and cant work.They still have access to low income housing at that level. It gets them back working, contributing, etc to society. They will realize they either need to work harder/smarter. Right now they are living on welfare, no reason that they can't work and live on the same wage....I'm even ok giving them a full 8 hours pay for 4 hours of work IF and ONLY IF they are taking some classes at a community college, etc.. to improve their lives.
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tjamz;215006 wrote:
They still have access to low income housing at that level. It gets them back working, contributing, etc to society. They will realize they either need to work harder/smarter. Right now they are living on welfare, no reason that they can't work and live on the same wage....I'm even ok giving them a full 8 hours pay for 4 hours of work IF and ONLY IF they are taking some classes at a community college, etc.. to improve their lives.Low income housing? where is that? Show me the goverment program that gives housing subsidies to low income people. And finally what i was getting at origionally! Reform!
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right across the alley from me there is low income housing where you pay a percentage of your income to live there. Come over some time and I will introduce you to the families that I know that live there.
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MisterCMK;214997 wrote:
Well said Chuck, my thoughts exactly. I will say that there are some times when someone does get dealt a tough hand and needs some help so there is some need for assistance programs. However, these are not supposed to be permanent and they should not be milking the system which seems to be the case these days.tjamz;215003 wrote:
Right, I am not saying ban the welfare system in this country, just revamp it...make it beneficial to get off of it....heck allow people to be on welfare AND work for 3 months at a regular job to get them on their feet....or make them work if they are on welfare. Get them a job picking up garbage, working with kids, whatever, so that they can at least earn that gov't check.+1 to both
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I still don't understand why it is societies job to make poor people not poor? If you don't work, you don't get paid. At least that's how it works for me...
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It's not societies job to make them un-poor. That is a choice they have to make on their own. I do think that we as a society have an obligation to help those that have fallen on hard times w/ temporary help, which is what the premise of my ideal welfare system is based on.
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Right. I am all for temporary programs such as Unemployment, Welfare as long as you have found a job and are working to get off of the program, etc.
As a matter of fact, welfare should not be paid unless the person on the receiving end can show they have a job or are actively seeking employment.
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integra_gsr98;215077 wrote:
Right. I am all for temporary programs such as Unemployment, Welfare as long as you have found a job and are working to get off of the program, etc.As a matter of fact, welfare should not be paid unless the person on the receiving end can show they have a job or are actively seeking employment.
Or unless you are seriously ill/injured to the point where you can no longer work.
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