2009 Perfect 10 Show
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HiImBrian;265212 wrote:
The whole judging thing seems silly to me. When did it become important to have a better car than other people anyways? What happened to getting a bunch of enthusiasts together and just havin a good time?It is a car show with awards given out. You have to be judged to get an award so the need for judges. Some people invest a lot of $$ and time in their cars and the awards they compete for are what some consider a return on their investment. Others, (myself included) just like the show n shine aspect of it and dont really care if anything is won. But to the people that actually invest the time and money into touring the show circuit, this is what the awards/judging for such is for. It's a great time either way.
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I like the way you think Jason. And I would be honored to judge again if asked, and would understand if I wasn't.
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weshole;265213 wrote:
It is a car show with awards given out. You have to be judged to get an award so the need for judges. Some people invest a lot of $$ and time in their cars and the awards they compete for are what some consider a return on their investment. Others, (myself included) just like the show n shine aspect of it and dont really care if anything is won. But to the people that actually invest the time and money into touring the show circuit, this is what the awards/judging for such is for. It's a great time either way.Yea that makes really good sense. To each their own I guess. I've never won a trophy/award before so I guess I wouldn't know the joy in getting one. Then again I've only been in one show that I entered my stock mx6 in lol. I would completely understand if there were cash prizes or something, and I guess I do understand that getting trophies is fun and that makes the need for judging. Maybe I just dont understand why people get all butt hurt about not winning.
Enough of that, I'll be at p10 and I'm looking forward to it!
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HiImBrian;265230 wrote:
Maybe I just dont understand why people get all butt hurt about not winning.You're not alone with that view...I view the whole car show thing as an opportunity to show my car off, hang out with friends, drink even, and if I ever happen to get recognition for it, great. If not, oh well, that's not really makes the show worthwhile.
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PSiedTSi;265231 wrote:
You're not alone with that view...I view the whole car show thing as an opportunity to show my car off, hang out with friends, drink even, and if I ever happen to get recognition for it, great. If not, oh well, that's not really makes the show worthwhile.exactly how i feel about shows too...
FG2;265201 wrote:
I have already received a call from Brent Mills (Insane G35), and he said he wanted to be a 'non-entry' (but bring the car), and judge. I encouraged him to enter the car, as well as judge. This year, people will NOT judge all the cars, and if they are an entry in the show, they will be given a group of cars that do not directly relate to their vehicle. So Brent will not judge Nissan/Infinity, and if Chuck were to do it, he would not judge Subaru. Pretty simple, and safe!- Jason
What about the "best club" judging... do ppl that are affiliated with clubs judge that too? (I'm jw, not like my club will be winning that anytime soon, lol)
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bubba;265240 wrote:
exactly how i feel about shows too...What about the "best club" judging... do ppl that are affiliated with clubs judge that too? (I'm jw, not like my club will be winning that anytime soon, lol)
Best club is a collaboration of all the judges thoughts. We try and find judges that aren't affiliated with a club, but that becomes hard, and if I feel that someone is being unrealistic with a vote for 'their' club, their vote will not count. We have yet to have a problem with that tho.]]
- Jason
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FG2;265279 wrote:
Best club is a collaboration of all the judges thoughts. We try and find judges that aren't affiliated with a club, but that becomes hard, and if I feel that someone is being unrealistic with a vote for 'their' club, their vote will not count. We have yet to have a problem with that tho.]]- Jason
That's good, I haven't noticed any cars so far that shouldnt have gotten the awards they got...
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HiImBrian;265230 wrote:
Yea that makes really good sense. To each their own I guess. I've never won a trophy/award before so I guess I wouldn't know the joy in getting one. Then again I've only been in one show that I entered my stock mx6 in lol. I would completely understand if there were cash prizes or something, and I guess I do understand that getting trophies is fun and that makes the need for judging. Maybe I just dont understand why people get all butt hurt about not winning.Enough of that, I'll be at p10 and I'm looking forward to it!
PSiedTSi;265231 wrote:
You're not alone with that view...I view the whole car show thing as an opportunity to show my car off, hang out with friends, drink even, and if I ever happen to get recognition for it, great. If not, oh well, that's not really makes the show worthwhile.I totally agree with both posts completely. It does however feel good to get a trophy for your hard work. It is a real sense of accomplishment and it makes you very proud of what you have done.
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Over the years I have watched this show grow into what it is today. Everything improves every year. Last year was the first year I had a car in the show, its even more fun having a car in it then not. It gives you a real look at to how much time/money/effort is put into people cars and getting them ready for the show, and the show it self. I will for sure have my car in the show again!
I have never thought there was any issues with Judges. As for Chuck. if his car gets a trophy/award, it is because the car earned it.
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bubba;265281 wrote:
That's good, I haven't noticed any cars so far that shouldnt have gotten the awards they got...Really? Anyone have pics of the white Eclipse with air bags?
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My only problem is that i can pick all the winners of the show before it even happens.
I'm guessing everyone that won an award last year, also won an award the year before, even though their car was 95% the same. Hell even stock cars can win, and thats kinda odd. -
RidinRails;266051 wrote:
My only problem is that i can pick all the winners of the show before it even happens.
I'm guessing everyone that won an award last year, also won an award the year before, even though their car was 95% the same. Hell even stock cars can win, and thats kinda odd.Then, maybe you should be a judge.
I seen a few cars that were hand over fists above the rest and deserved to win while others caught me by surprise. Even me placing at all last year. I thought Parker was going to get the trophy I got.
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I'd be happy to be a judge, atleast i'd be fair.
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RidinRails;266051 wrote:
My only problem is that i can pick all the winners of the show before it even happens.
I'm guessing everyone that won an award last year, also won an award the year before, even though their car was 95% the same. Hell even stock cars can win, and thats kinda odd.Hmm agreed.
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you know it is all nice that the guys put alot of work into the cars.
but i walked though the show last year and was like yup those are the same damn cars i have seen for the last how many years.
it just is to much of the same stuff.
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DrifterExtreme;266148 wrote:
you know it is all nice that the guys put alot of work into the cars.but i walked though the show last year and was like yup those are the same damn cars i have seen for the last how many years.
it just is to much of the same stuff.
ok, then do something different and put your own car in the show.
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I'd agree that the top winning cars generally win year after year....but they hardly stay the same. Some do little things that make them stand out (Tony Swartz), others upgrade a previously unfinished area of their vehicles (Scott Blodgett), some do major work (Brent Mills). The trick to winning a best of class/best of show is to cover every area of judging as best you can. There will always be people who don't like how a car is judged...no doubt, but it is a combined effort (usually) of 3 judges who determine the overall score. I'd expect that you will see fairly consistent numbers from each of the judges. Generally, the obvious best of shows are judged first, just to set the standard that all the others are judged against. Last year that was Brent Mills and Tony Swartz (no surprises there) at both shows that I had the honor of judging.
The general rule of thumb for covering your bases is to modify these basic categories:
Interior
Exterior
Suspension
ICE
Wheels
**Cleanliness **
Display
and at some shows, knowledge of what/why you have the parts you do, how rare they are, etc...The guys who score well at big shows are the guys who sell the judges on their cars. If you want to score major points, you point out your strengths and distract judges from your weaknesses (seriously).
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