Tintmasters street legals cancelled, in RYM this time
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DrifterExtreme;278634 wrote:
Bad press maybe? idk was more of a joke then anything. but chuck jumped on will for doing nothing wrong other then pointing out facts that were being over looked by everyone, and TM used bad wording and it looked as if they were saying avoid idr because TM doesn't run street legal's.when last i checked all that mattered was that there was a good local track to race at instead of who was sponsering/profiting off the event.
idk maybe that.
also why lock it, then clean it, delete it and not put it in RYM?
You think TM profits off Idrags? lol thats the biggest crock of shit ever. Just like shane profits off helping with autox's right? your smokin something.
Anyone wanna give some cliff notes on the last thread that got deleted? I didn't even see it.
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Trafik Jamz;278595 wrote:
Other than saying that I think TM got the shit end of the stick on this deal (along w/ some others who had plaques and stuff made up for the events already) and that I ultimately think it is going to hurt the track I am now officially done with this topic. Sorry if anyone is upset that ALL posts have been deleted but that was posted in one of the strictly moderated areas of the forum. I moderated it strictly. Live with it.That's ok Chuck. I got flamed on by all the butthurt people when I did the exact thing. Now I only mod the classifieds.
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Joel;278636 wrote:
You think TM profits off Idrags? lol thats the biggest crock of shit ever. Just like shane profits off helping with autox's right? your smokin something.Anyone wanna give some cliff notes on the last thread that got deleted? I didn't even see it.
Yes because "advertising" and "sponsorship" would never lead to increased sales.
You should tell all marketing an ad agencies that what they do will never increase sales.....:icon_scratch:
sometimes i wonder with you joel, sometimes....
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weshole;278639 wrote:
That's ok Chuck. I got flamed on by all the butthurt people when I did the exact thing. Now I only mod the classifieds.Really wes? really?
explain where chuck was at all in the right for freaking out on will? i would love to hear how explaining that it is still open and people can still race, was talking ahit about TM"s prices? (if you forgot chuck brought that up for no reason).
Waiting?
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You think I did that to cover for TM? I did it because it was spinning out of control (thanks in part by me admittedly) in a section that is supposed to be more strictly moderated. I want to know what you think TM posted that said the track wouldn't be open because their deal fell through. Nothing. They merely said that Tintmasters Street Legal Events were cancelled.....then someone came on and said the IDR site says they still have a Test & Tune w/ a Jackpot event which implied bracket racing which would have limited seat time for a LOT of people....how many depends on how many entered the event. Then there were testimonials of how the people who currently run the track can't seem to get their shit straight when it comes to the operations. Then shit hit the fan and Will got pissy about someone telling him that bracket racing will eat up seat time and me explaining how bracket racing works.....and me finally getting fed up with Will's anti-TM shit that he constantly spews on this site and calling him out for it....followed by a butthurt pair of people for me calling it as I see it (aren't I kinda known for that??). Then an utter shit storm of crap talking by everyone when only about 2 people in the thread knew the whole story (me NOT being one of them....but I knew enough to see that TM got hosed based on conversations).
What is funny about all of this is that when I first heard about the TM's post about no more street legals, the first thing someone said to me was "How long you think it'll be before Will Bartels starts shit talking TM....and how long before Matt joins in?" Funny how you two are so predictable when it comes to this stuff.
The long and short of it is this: Tintmasters "Styled" Street Legal events are no longer going to take place out there. They are going to be replaced by a different format which may/may not pan out for the track. The price IS going up to race and watch. Track ownership (from what I can tell) seems to think that TM got fucked on the deal as well.
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DrifterExtreme;278640 wrote:
Yes because "advertising" and "sponsorship" would never lead to increased sales.You should tell all marketing an ad agencies that what they do will never increase sales.....:icon_scratch:
sometimes i wonder with you joel, sometimes....
I would bet they could advertise in other places and make a lot more money. Ask Nick if he made any money off advertising at I drags.... My guess is no.
IMHO he sponsors it to give people a better scene in fargo. A better scene in fargo makes him a little more money, yes, but I don't see the sole reason Tintmasters sponsors events like this is strictly for money reasons. You put Boost Innovations in the phone book and never got any business!?
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DrifterExtreme;278641 wrote:
Really wes? really?explain where chuck was at all in the right for freaking out on will? i would love to hear how explaining that it is still open and people can still race, was talking ahit about TM"s prices? (if you forgot chuck brought that up for no reason).
Waiting?
I wasn't freaking out on Will. I was merely pointing out that Will gets a hardon talking shit about TM. It's not like it's a big secret. Not everyone has to like everyone else.
FWIW, I get along with Will just fine (which I think you and Will both know) I just thought he was out of line...and I'd heard enough so I gave him a tongue lashing and backed up my theory of Wills penis envy of TM by making reference to the things he posts on here regularly.
He's a big boy, he can handle it.
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Joel;278645 wrote:
I would bet they could advertise in other places and make a lot more money.IMHO he sponsors it to give people a better scene in fargo. A better scene in fargo makes him a lottle more money, yes, but I don't see the sole reason Tintmasters sponsors events like this is strictly for money reasons.
I'd have to say QFT! I really don't think that TM gets back the nearly $20k (guessing at the number....might be a bit higher/lower....but should be pretty f'ing close based on my calculations) that they spend on advertising at the track. Do they get some of it....sure, but I'm willing to bet 95% of the people who race at TM days and then buy parts at TM later already knew of them and planned on buying the parts anyway from them....what they might get is a few tint jobs out of the deal that some of the older crowd might not have known about w/o the sponsorship.
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Joel;278645 wrote:
I would bet they could advertise in other places and make a lot more money. Ask Nick if he made any money off advertising at I drags.... My guess is no.IMHO he sponsors it to give people a better scene in fargo. A better scene in fargo makes him a little more money, yes, but I don't see the sole reason Tintmasters sponsors events like this is strictly for money reasons. You put Boost Innovations in the phone book and never got any business!?
Oh for fucks sake joel give it a rest.
the point i was making is that no one in there right mind spends a ton of money thinking they won't get some kind of return on there investment. and clearly it works as tons of people stand up for them.
and the personal jab,good one joel.
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Trafik Jamz;278644 wrote:
You think I did that to cover for TM? I did it because it was spinning out of control (thanks in part by me admittedly) in a section that is supposed to be more strictly moderated. I want to know what you think TM posted that said the track wouldn't be open because their deal fell through. Nothing. They merely said that Tintmasters Street Legal Events were cancelled.....then someone came on and said the IDR site says they still have a Test & Tune w/ a Jackpot event which implied bracket racing which would have limited seat time for a LOT of people....how many depends on how many entered the event. Then there were testimonials of how the people who currently run the track can't seem to get their shit straight when it comes to the operations. Then shit hit the fan and Will got pissy about someone telling him that bracket racing will eat up seat time and me explaining how bracket racing works.....and me finally getting fed up with Will's anti-TM shit that he constantly spews on this site and calling him out for it....followed by a butthurt pair of people for me calling it as I see it (aren't I kinda known for that??). Then an utter shit storm of crap talking by everyone when only about 2 people in the thread knew the whole story (me NOT being one of them....but I knew enough to see that TM got hosed based on conversations).What is funny about all of this is that when I first heard about the TM's post about no more street legals, the first thing someone said to me was "How long you think it'll be before Will Bartels starts shit talking TM....and how long before Matt joins in?" Funny how you two are so predictable when it comes to this stuff.
The long and short of it is this: Tintmasters "Styled" Street Legal events are no longer going to take place out there. They are going to be replaced by a different format which may/may not pan out for the track. The price IS going up to race and watch. Track ownership (from what I can tell) seems to think that TM got fucked on the deal as well.
I'm sorry i don't support a company in town. have i ever once not thanked them for the ird support or the auto-x? no but i won't sit there and pass judgment on ird street days solely based on them not running the events.
if that makes me wrong then fuck it. can't try and be mature these days.
chuck you think i came in here to back will? you fucking kidding me? I didn't like how people immediately hated IRD now that tintmasters got "screwed".
Weird how that is?
oh and on the cover up thing, you must not have read my comment to Eathan, huh?
hondaex wrote:
If I looked like Will Bartels I would lash out at everyone on the internet too.Haha, i won't even say what i was thinking about you.:icon_puke_r:
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Oh and when did the guy at IDR say it would take up everyone's time?
he said it would be long at all and that it would solely be dependent on if there were enough involved to even do it. so saying it will take forever is kinda silly right?
you kinda disappoint me chuck
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HandoEX;278657 wrote:
You think I'm sexy?not even close:icon_salut:
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DrifterExtreme;278655 wrote:
Oh for fucks sake joel give it a rest.the point i was making is that no one in there right mind spends a ton of money thinking they won't get some kind of return on there investment. and clearly it works as tons of people stand up for them.
and the personal jab,good one joel.
Had to change it up a bit. Making fun of your grammar and spelling was getting exhausting.
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well i should mix it up a bit, get any restraining orders lately?
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DrifterExtreme;278658 wrote:
Oh and when did the guy at IDR say it would take up everyone's time?he said it would be long at all and that it would solely be dependent on if there were enough involved to even do it. so saying it will take forever is kinda silly right?
you kinda disappoint me chuck
I'm telling you that the guy at IDR either lied to you or has no fucking clue how long jackpot races take....now that it is a traditional weekend there will be more purpose built cars out there on the track for T&T....these are guys that actually bracket race regularly (again, good luck getting to run in the groove at this event) and to think that they won't get into the jackpot racing is crazy......that is probably the funnest part of brackets to be honest with you, and your biggest chance at making $$$ if you are good at it (or lucky....that helps sometimes too). So no, I do think it will take forever....maybe longer, who knows.
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Then with what you just said why did we just have this huge fucking drag out argument?
oh and sorry chuck i believe the guy over the phone before you.
again i will say I'm waiting to pass judgment until i go to a damn street legal day.
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