Obama / Democrats
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StangerBanger96;314899 wrote:
Exactly, Libertarians are pretty much the only "people" who make the most sense. It would be interesting to see what a larger majority or even larger minority of TRUE libertarians would do for this country if they were in positions of power. A libertarian in power is kind of an oxymoron though it sort of seems like, someone who believes Government should have extremely limited power trying to get into that position of power.Except the fact that it would take nothing short of a miracle AND the second coming of Jesus for the Libertarian party to take any sort of majority in any branch of government. We're all stuck with either Republicans or Democrats. Neither party will every keep 100% of its promises, so a person is forced to make a decision based on which party they think will screw shit up less. I don't necessarily support or endorse 100% of the Democrats' ideas, but I personally believe that they are better than any realistic alternative.
I still think it's funny that there are some Democrats that are angry at Obama because he takes too many Republican ideas and puts them into his proposals, and Republicans still essentially refuse to vote for any bill that was put forth by a Democrat, even though many of the ideas were from Republican bills.
Regardless of what happens over the next 2 years, I cannot support a party that goes so far as to vote against legislation that would disallow corporations to put wording into job contracts that deny employees the right to press rape charges against other employees. Or a party that votes against a bill that would make it easier for native tribunal courts to prosecute non-native rapists. Or a party that votes against giving 9/11 responders healthcare benefits, not because they didn't agree with it, but because they were against the way it was being voted on. The list goes on and on. They didn't get the nickname, "The party of 'no', " for no reason. Over the last 2 years, Republicans have shown how self-centered they are, and how little they care about actually trying to change things for the better.
Someone prove me wrong. Please. I really want to believe that there is some small shred of decency left on the right.
/drunk rant.
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I would have liked to see Romney stick it out for the whole election, he would have had my vote. Huckabee seemed an acceptable choice, until he disappeared. It's too bad that everyone without a brain ignores Ron Paul, he'd be a nice option.
At this point, voting is a waste of time. It's either death by firing squad or death by hanging, no real choice.
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amicheze;314911 wrote:
Everything you saidThe problem with most political things, and I'm willing to bet is the case with the things you mention, is that NOTHING is as cut and dry as you or I are made to believe. A bill that gives troops money also contains provisions that gives hookers free coke (exaggeration for effect), a bill to help cure cancer also has provisions to test whether or not dogs dream and if so, what the dreams are about.
Now, you do also realize that Democrats have done the same thing when Republicans have power too. They will rally against ANY bill, regardless of whether or not they agree with the general provisions of it, because it was put forth by a Republican. I seem to recall Democrats, the party that loves having a power grabbing Government, screaming bloody murder over the Patriot Act. By your logic, Democrats obviously do not care about the well being of the people of this country because the Government just needed an easier way to check on domestic based terrorism.
That right there is the issue, along with what you mentioned in your post. In the end both parties are really just there for themselves. Republicans are afraid of Gays/Illegal Immigrants/Muslims, Democrats are afraid of Profits/Competition/Common Sense/Christians. Neither one really gives a shit about YOU though, they just do what they have to do to get the reelection vote.
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Mitt Romney is a fucking RINO. Any 'republican' who signs socialized health care into law, supports abortion, is for stringent gun laws, and supports civilized union is not a conservative. He raised taxes and fees in MA like 750 million/year and flip flops on issues to seem more conservative when he is campaigning. What the United States needs right now is the second coming of Ronald Reagan.
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Mitt Romney is a toolshed. He doesn't stand for anything at all. That's the worst kind of politician.
I'm not aware of anyone I could vote for right now besides Ron Paul. Doesn't matter who the republicans pick -- I'm writing in Ron Paul (or maybe someone else will emerge before then).
Jim -- I think McCain might have been "some" better but probably not much. And you are right, even though I think Obama's ideology is wrong, there are several things that the said he would do that he COULD have and didn't that would have been the right things. There were a lot of things Bush did wrong that Obama and the dems promised to stop or fix, and then they fucking backed out of ALL of them.
A real democrat that actually cared about freedom for brown people etc would have gotten rid of all of the domestic wiretapping shit, would have addressed renditions, Guantanamo, etc. Obama did NONE of that. Infact, Obama apparently decided he liked how all that dictator power that Bush wrote in for himself felt, and so he kept it, 100%. Asshole.
It doesn't matter who we vote for in 2010 and 2012: Unless they are Ron Paul, or do all the shit Ron Paul would do, this country is done for. We're out of money, looking to start more wars in more places, and everyone hates each other. It's going to get uglier. Oh, and China keeps developing space weapons, so that when we say "Sorry, we don't have that 2 trillion we owe you", they can say "We bet you can find it, because we can see it just fine from up here"
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In my opinion Obama has been a disappointment. He preached change and i think his intentions were good but ran into the clusterfuck that is our government. Bitter republicans not coming up with any real answers shooting down any idea the democratic party comes up with in spite is no doubt going to be counterproductive. The economic situation is not something that just happened over night, it was a built up over years of bad practices and policies implemented by a number of different parties that assumed power. Obama was facing an uphill battle after he was elected, day 1. Basically the population as a whole is tired of the smoke a mirrors that is our government and that’s why you see people, who seemingly have no experience or intelligence as in the case of the South Carolina’s Alvin Greene getting the primary. The assumption is that if someone is unknown then they are not corrupted by special interest groups ect. Another point highlighted is the obvious lack of intelligence of the majority of our population. I remember seeing an interview of voters that were asked who they voted for and why and one response was verbatim “I voted for the other guy because I don’t like that Husain thing” were the person somehow associated obama with sadam Husain. (names contain some of the same letters??)I mean Jesus Christ really? (note referring to the person who they voted for referred to as THE OTHER GUY) Fox News as a whole is another herpes breakout on the lips of new broadcasting( I still say daily show/Colbert report most unbiased news on television) So we vote republican the next time around, my bet is same old shit. The classic argument of a giant douche or a turd sandwich….yes I love comedy central…..lesson of the day: get a job and put all your money in a mattress(that is until the monetary system fails)…world ends in 2012 anyway so who cares….
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burnteclipse;315761 wrote:
In my opinion Obama has been a disappointment. He preached change and i think his intentions were good but ran into the clusterfuck that is our government. **Bitter republicans not coming up with any real answers shooting down any **idea the democratic party comes up with in spite is no doubt going to be counterproductive.Sorry, the Dems have a supermajority. The Repubs can't shoot down anything.
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burnteclipse;315761 wrote:
In my opinion Obama has been a disappointment. He preached change and i think his intentions were good but ran into the clusterfuck that is our government. Bitter republicans not coming up with any real answers shooting down any idea the democratic party comes up with in spite is no doubt going to be counterproductive. The economic situation is not something that just happened over night, it was a built up over years of bad practices and policies implemented by a number of different parties that assumed power. Obama was facing an uphill battle after he was elected, day 1. Basically the population as a whole is tired of the smoke a mirrors that is our government and that’s why you see people, who seemingly have no experience or intelligence as in the case of the South Carolina’s Alvin Greene getting the primary. The assumption is that if someone is unknown then they are not corrupted by special interest groups ect. Another point highlighted is the obvious lack of intelligence of the majority of our population. I remember seeing an interview of voters that were asked who they voted for and why and one response was verbatim “I voted for the other guy because I don’t like that Husain thing” were the person somehow associated obama with sadam Husain. (names contain some of the same letters??)I mean Jesus Christ really? (note referring to the person who they voted for referred to as THE OTHER GUY) Fox News as a whole is another herpes breakout on the lips of new broadcasting( I still say daily show/Colbert report most unbiased news on television) So we vote republican the next time around, my bet is same old shit. The classic argument of a giant douche or a turd sandwich….yes I love comedy central…..lesson of the day: get a job and put all your money in a mattress(that is until the monetary system fails)…world ends in 2012 anyway so who cares….WOW, your view on politics is so warped and uninformed its not even funny. You sir have no real clue about the principles that made this country what it is, and Stewart/colbert is news??? What a fucking retard dude, you are the reason this country is going to shit
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DaveH;315765 wrote:
Sorry, the Dems have a supermajority. The Repubs can't shoot down anything.The Republicans just call everything that Democrats pass "socialist" and "job killing" and hope that the American people are dumb enough to believe it. For a party that apparently cares so much about small businesses, only two voted for a bill that would extend some $30 billion in loans to small businesses to potentially help create an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 jobs.
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I love how people continually blame the Republicans as of late when the fact of the matter is, the Democrats don't need ANY Republican support to pass their agendas. If blaming Republicans makes you feel better about yourself and the world you live in, that's great, but it just helps show how stupid and uninformed you are. The only smart thing I have yet to see so far is part of burnteclipses post...both parties are out for themselves only.
Biggest problem is the fact that the 2 parties have a stranglehold on our political system. THAT, coupled with the fact that most people view a 3rd party vote as a wasted vote means nothing about the current situation will ever change. Little grassroots tea party elections are popping up but once again, it just divides either the Republican vote or the Democratic vote and the last thing this country needs is another 4 years of Nobama.
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MisterCMK;315548 wrote:
Honestly, the best thing for this president would be to have a Republican Congress. When one party is in control of everything this is what happens...I agree whole-heartedly. I think I said that it was a bad thing that the dems had control of everything after the last election cycle......I want a Democrat president that has the power to veto the most extreme right wing bills that come his way OR I want a Republican president who can veto the extreme left wing bills.
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