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  • O Offline
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    out there
    wrote on last edited by
    #8

    your car is mechanically stock, there is no tuning required. the only problems you have are more than likely hardware (unless there was some sort of malfunction with the ecu).

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      dubbsy
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      #9

      you need a tune UP, not a tune. Like they're saying, if your car is that close to stock...you've got problems outside of a tune.

      I'll assume there's no CEL? weird that a car would be running that lean and have no CEL (or are civics like that?)

      that exhaust cat back? ...or were you screwing with O2 sensors and cats?

      1995 Mustang
      CAI, rimz, and springs.

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        Looks to me like spark plugs out of a relatively stock car.
        My integra always had plugs that looked like that when it was stock.

        As long as they're not speckled, you're fine.

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          tqisking
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          #11

          I agree with integra....plugs look fine but maybe 1 heat range to hot....if there are no black specs then let it run....

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          • harwood39H Offline
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            harwood39
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            #12

            no black specs, i dont need a tune up, if i need any thing, they need to adjust the injectors, i had a rich problem with my old car, they just plug into the ECU, and adjust the injectors.

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              24valvenotak
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              #13

              I second the heat range idea. I would rather spend six bucks on new plugs then sixty taking it to the dealer only to find nothing is wrong.

              Getcher green hat, we are goin fishin.

              > 63vette;288530 wrote:
              > I dont know shit about building cars.

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                harwood39
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                #14

                im doin the plugs first. than if that doesnt help im taking it in.

                Harwood Development - Emergency Vehicle Upfitter

                2730 5th Ave S. Unit C
                Fargo, ND 58103
                701-429-3686

                Rontan, D&R Electronics, Feniex, Federal Signal, SVP/Star, Bradford, Tufloc, Lund, Code3, Sound-Off, Nova, Copeland, Power-Arc, Recon

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                  #15

                  Umm, since when can someone plug into your car and "adjust" your injectors? Is this something new? Never have I heard of such a thing unless you have some type of stand alone engine management or a modified ecu of some sort.

                  Troy
                  2009 Yamaha R1
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                  2001 Toyota Tundra
                  2001 Yamaha R6
                  1988 Yamaha YSR 50
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                    harwood39
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                    #16

                    wow, where have you been, they have been able to do that since they started using fuel injection. How do you think they can do a tune up, they have to do it in a tune up depending on how its running. Go to a dealership and ask around.

                    Harwood Development - Emergency Vehicle Upfitter

                    2730 5th Ave S. Unit C
                    Fargo, ND 58103
                    701-429-3686

                    Rontan, D&R Electronics, Feniex, Federal Signal, SVP/Star, Bradford, Tufloc, Lund, Code3, Sound-Off, Nova, Copeland, Power-Arc, Recon

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                      #17

                      i think what your talkin about is a scan tool you gave everyone the wrong perception of what you were talkin about im assuming...i dont think you can "adjust" the injectors...if you can wow i guess i learned somethin new but ive done pretty extensive work with scantools and never been taught that you can just "adjust" them...i know you can look and see the pulse width, fuel trim etc...keep in mind they used fuel injection back in the 50s and 60s in the corvette and prolly some other vehicles you might wanna watch your statement

                      At first I did it for fun, then I realized I made the investment and had to do it!

                      92 Talon AWD 6/4bolt [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                      95 240SX SE SR20DET [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                      1993.5 Supra Hardtop...Sold
                      Next project? 6cyl, 6spd?

                      > spanish-rice;237125 wrote:
                      > at first i thought the title said beer truck drivers needed... In which case i accidently put my two weeks in at work.

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                        #18

                        harwood39 wrote:
                        wow, where have you been, they have been able to do that since they started using fuel injection. How do you think they can do a tune up, they have to do it in a tune up depending on how its running. Go to a dealership and ask around.

                        Haha. If you knew anything about Honda ecu's you would know that they cannot "adjust" your injectors at the dealership. But from what it seems you know everything about Hondas. Just because your car has fuel injection doesn't mean your car's "fuel injectors can be modified."

                        Tell me how the VW dealers adjust fuel injection settings on a car with mechanical fuel injection?

                        When you answer that let me know.

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                          24valvenotak
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                          #19

                          better yet lets see the reciept from the last time you took your car to the dealership and had them adjust the pulse...then we will have something else to laught at....you getting raped.

                          Getcher green hat, we are goin fishin.

                          > 63vette;288530 wrote:
                          > I dont know shit about building cars.

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                            harwood39
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                            #20

                            haha, i wasnt thinking straight, but the can adjust the pulse, at least on nissans. As long as its ELECTRONIC FUEL INJECTION. I was goin to get it done on my 300ZX right before i blew the motor, cause it was running supper rich. I know absolutely nothing about hondas. and its not a couple hundred dollar scan tool they use, its a few thousand dollar computer, i was goin to buy one of these for my 300ZX but i didnt have $6000.

                            Harwood Development - Emergency Vehicle Upfitter

                            2730 5th Ave S. Unit C
                            Fargo, ND 58103
                            701-429-3686

                            Rontan, D&R Electronics, Feniex, Federal Signal, SVP/Star, Bradford, Tufloc, Lund, Code3, Sound-Off, Nova, Copeland, Power-Arc, Recon

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                              #21

                              yep we got one of them in out shop along with a lift they are about 6500 for the computer.

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                                PSiedTSi
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                                #22

                                i dont remember the last time i used a couple hundred dollar scantool...the last time i checked they were a couple thousand even for the shitty ford genstar...

                                At first I did it for fun, then I realized I made the investment and had to do it!

                                92 Talon AWD 6/4bolt [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                                95 240SX SE SR20DET [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                                1993.5 Supra Hardtop...Sold
                                Next project? 6cyl, 6spd?

                                > spanish-rice;237125 wrote:
                                > at first i thought the title said beer truck drivers needed... In which case i accidently put my two weeks in at work.

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                                  If dealers were adjusting fuel tables across the entire rev range for both high and low throttle on cars without the use of the dyno or any ecu modifications, why do people switch to standalone engine managements? Damn those crazy dealers have some crazy stuff these days.

                                  Having used a 5000+ dollar scan tool they're not that impressive for what they cost. They clear codes, read codes, and check sensors, but nowhere did I see any way to adjust ecu settings for any of the vehicles I used it on.

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                                    out there
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                                    #24

                                    based on the description of these expensive scan tools, they sound a lot like the datalogging stuff from pocketlogger... cost me less than 200 including a palm pilot

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                                      pin
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                                      #25

                                      The Ford STAR tester I've used is able to make ECU adjustments with the correct memory card inserted. Of course, you have to spend a lot of money on those cards and they only cover a certain range of ECU programs. I don't know what they are capable of editing though.

                                      Barry
                                      "street races are for newbies and drifting is for the pros"

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                                        PSiedTSi
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                                        the ford GENSTAR is like the worst manufacture scantool available IMO...you cant do a lot of the things you can with the DRB3 or TECH2

                                        At first I did it for fun, then I realized I made the investment and had to do it!

                                        92 Talon AWD 6/4bolt [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                                        95 240SX SE SR20DET [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                                        1993.5 Supra Hardtop...Sold
                                        Next project? 6cyl, 6spd?

                                        > spanish-rice;237125 wrote:
                                        > at first i thought the title said beer truck drivers needed... In which case i accidently put my two weeks in at work.

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                                          #27

                                          isnt the only way to play with the ecu on the genstar is if you have the flash box and the seasonal update subscribtion from ford? ...and then doesnt it only update manufacturer specific problems/recalls?

                                          Getcher green hat, we are goin fishin.

                                          > 63vette;288530 wrote:
                                          > I dont know shit about building cars.

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