nitrous?
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Wizard wrote:
But a turbo kit doesn't require anything to do with the ECU fortunately.UMMM, yea it does, increased air requires increased fuel how are you going to get that increase in fuel unless you use a FMU, AFC, or a chipped ecu. An AFC is tapped into the ecu to trick it into pumping more fuel, a chipped ecu just does what you tell it to do, and a FMU increases fuel as manifold pressure increases. The FMU is the easiest and has the least to do with the ECU but it is unreliable.
Any way you look at it you can't just strap on a turbo and go for a ride.
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darkelvis wrote:
UMMM, yea it does, increased air requires increased fuel how are you going to get that increase in fuel unless you use a FMU, AFC, or a chipped ecu. An AFC is tapped into the ecu to trick it into pumping more fuel, a chipped ecu just does what you tell it to do, and a FMU increases fuel as manifold pressure increases. The FMU is the easiest and has the least to do with the ECU but it is unreliable.Any way you look at it you can't just strap on a turbo and go for a ride.
lol your tellin him that huh...hes built a few dsms including the first 14b in the 11s...
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out there wrote:
agreed, people who want nitrous just to say, "i've got NAWZ!" don't need it and should stay away from iti would never do something to my car just say i did it or i have it. i have more respect for myself, my car, and the industry to do that. i wouldn't be putting in a large shot at all. just enough to make it worth the investment. and as far as putting in a turbo...obviously that would be somewhere above kickass but for my car that's a very huge investment. the last that i saw, a stage1 turbo kit for the V6 was right around $2800. that doesn't include all the prep. work. i was told that nitrous would be the best bang for my buck and being a broke college student, that would be my best bet.
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I wouldn't be afraid of putting a small shot on there. As long as you use it wisely, you should have no problem. But beware, a bottle wont last as long as you think. There is also a few extra things to buy for OPTIMUM performance when using niutrous so do some pricing and then make a decision.
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weshole...what size would you say would be best? and what other things would i need to do to prep for install?
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A 50 shot should be no problem but you will need to give your car a good tune-up. Such as spark plugs (COLDER HEAT RANGE), wires, and fuel filter. All of which will need to be done. Also if you want the most out of your system, you will need a bottle heater. I'm just finding this out myself. If I were you, I'd stop in at SLS and talk to nick or Tintmasters and talk to shane. Both are very knowlegeable on the subject and should be able to answer all of your questons and even give you a decent buy on a kit.
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ok...i've also been talking to the guys up at AdvancedAutoWerx and they've been giving me some good info. but keep it coming...the more input, the better.
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personally i don't think yours trans could take any shot of no2. There crap and break without the help.
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no that trannie will handle it a dodge trannie can take a beating, and with the n2o i would listen to weshole, daveH, fallguy, PSHPSI idd talk to one of them the would be the best help, and if u could save the money i would rebuild the motor, then turbo, then nos.............it cant be that hard to save money
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i've heard both sides of the tranny deal. i'll have to do some more research on that. and it is very hard to save money. what w/ college and all. i do plan on a rebuild and a turbo within the next couple of years but i've been told the nitrous is the best bang for my buck and i like the way that sounds. who knows though...i still haven't made any immediate decisions.
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O.K. lets set some things strait. The little amount of hp gained out of n2o that were talking about running here will not kill your transmission or engine, stupidity will. If you drive like an idiot, it wont matter what you drive.... Shit will break. I'm by no means no authority on nitrous. In fact, I'm still learning myself. But I do know that if you don't get too overzealous, your engine and transmission will last a long time (even with nitrous). Don't be afraid of it. The people that don't like it (USUALLY) haven't used it and don't understand it. But it is a productive alternative to putting an expensive turbo-swap into a vehicle where there is few options available. But like I said before, it can be more expensive to run in the long run. Bottle fills add up. There is alot of info in the minds of some of the senior ricers/racers that frequent these boards so chime in fellas and help this guy out.
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american_made85 wrote:
i was told that nitrous would be the best bang for my buck and being a broke college student, that would be my best bet.Nitrous is the best bang for the buck... but speed costs money. Not only to go fast in the first place... but to fix things that break when you go fast. I don't care what people say... things do and will break. The transmission? Yup.. could break and could be quite spendy to repair. The engine? Yup, could have issues there throwing nitrous at it as well... and will be spendy to repair as well if something decides to go wrong.
If this is your only car and you absolutely can't be without it... I wouldn't start throwing nitrous or even a turbo at it then. Reason being? You said you are a broke college student... and that usually means you can't afford to spend the money on a new transmission or engine if one/both were to fail.
If you have another car you can drive if this one goes all to hell... then go for it... but just be aware that things do and will break... and usually with nitrous... when they do... it's expensive.
...and yes, I do run nitrous on my car and have for about the past 5 years.
Good luck though... speed is fun.
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What I meant to say was the turbo kit that Hahn Racecraft sells and most other bolt-on turbo kit's for NT cars don't really make any changes to the ECU itself. FMU is what is included on most kits. If you want more than an FMU, then chances are you are building your motor too.
In other words, a 3g turbo kit (or home brewed) works just fine even though the electronics are different. An AFC will work on just about any car as long as you hook it up right and the MAF (or MAP) are compatible with the pre-programmed settings.
As for the tranny, It's an Automatic. Usually they are a bit robust and will usually do fine with the increased stress. But to be safe, consider an aftermarket tranny cooler, shift kit and maybe beefing up your tranny mounts. That should aid in making it last longer. You could always consider swapping to a 5-spd (3g's and 2k+ Stratus R/T, etc). Read more about this on ASOG. There's even a guy that has completed a 4G63 AWD swap into his Avenger. Running low 12s if I remember right. There are also guys with 3.0L's swapped in as well as 2.8L stroker (over the 2.5L) and 3.3L and even 3.5L motors with 5-spds are now getting installed.
Wiz
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i have heard quite a bit about swapping the engine. some love it and some say its not worth it. as far as a 5speed...news to me, definitely something to check into. what kind of shift kit would i put in the automatic that i have now?...where would i find one? i've looked on the Hahn site and i didn't find a turbo for the V6. if you know where i can find one for a decent price, let me know. as i've been watching this forum and gathering info. on nitrous, i'm leaning toward purchasing a ZEX wet nitrous kit w/ the smart box. i won't do so for some time but that's where i'm headed. and for a back-up car...no, i dont have one but i was thinking about just buying a salvage 2.5 V6 like mine and doing a port and polish and maybe bore it out. i figure if i start doing that this summer, i can have it finished by the time that my engine goes.
thanks for all the input guys...keep it coming.
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