Dyno in Fargo?!?! Interested?!?
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tntmstr wrote:
The big difference from back then in Minot and here now in Fargo is the scene and the vehicles in the scene... There wasn't WRX's, STi's, Evo's, etc... They had Eclipses, but nobody REALLY got hard into the motorwork in the area until 2001/2002+ A 2 wheel drive dyno would be pointless, as many/most of our hardcore enthusiasts are AWD. The Dynapack is a dyno that has 4 separate boxes that attach to each hub. There is no rolling drum of any sort. With this dyno you have complete control of the car and the dyno runs the car, the car doesn't run the dyno like a drum style dyno. For FWD/RWD all you have to do is attach 2 of the 4 boxes to the drive wheels.Jason Christopherson
tintmasters motorsports
Fargo, ND
www.tintmasters.net
(701)239-8468
[email protected]If you can do fwd, rwd, I think it would be a smart investment. I think an even smarter investment would to be very good at tuning, or a very good dyno tuner on hand. Having the dyno is one thing, but if you are a very competent tuner, people will flock for that extra bit of power they will get from you.
If you can deliver the total package, I think it would be wise, and help you guys corner the tuning market in ND even more.
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94NDTA wrote:
Stupid question. Can you do fwd and rwd cars on an AWD dyno?Also, who will be doing the tuning?
Yes, see previous post for fwd/rwd answer
Tuning will be done by whomever recieves training in the particular system. We already have been very successful with road tunes lately, and have a guy qualified for a few systems, and shane and myself would be taking the courses as well. With the purchase of the dyno, you also recieve hands on training for 2 full days on how to properly opperate the dyno as well as some software. Obviously hondata, Turboxs, etc... will each need appropriate training, and we fully plan to receive this knowledge BEFORE touching a customers car. The worst thing that could happen is trying to tune a car without knowing WTF you are doing!!! So when thinking about this scenario, consider the fact that we will be trained and qualified to touch your car, and if we aren't we will not be afraid to say so... To much liability for an ego trip!
Jason Christopherson
tintmasters motorsports
www.tintmasters.net
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94NDTA wrote:
If you can do fwd, rwd, I think it would be a smart investment. I think an even smarter investment would to be very good at tuning, or a very good dyno tuner on hand. Having the dyno is one thing, but if you are a very competent tuner, people will flock for that extra bit of power they will get from you.If you can deliver the total package, I think it would be wise, and help you guys corner the tuning market in ND even more.
One thing that we WOULD NOT want people to think though, is that we are a 'tuner dyno' only. To make the rent payment we will need to be able to tune a range of vehicles. All this knowledge would be hard to have one person do, so we would look to have a domestic tuner (someone with a heart for the domestic crowd/vehicles) and a tuner(s) for the import crowd. We want to have this dyno not only open business relationships with the domestic/truck crowd, but also expland our knowledge of what works and what doesn't for domestics/trucks. We have never shunned the domestic crowd intentionally, but jumping into that scene without having a good amount of experience is hard. Having a dyno with domestic crowds using it will enable us to better understand what works and what doesn't.
I appreciate what you guys have to say!! Thanks a lot and keep it coming!
Jason
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94NDTA wrote:
Do you have any pics of the Dyno you guys might be getting?http://www.dynapack.com/products/4wd/
Jason
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http://www.ultimategarage.com/hmdynapk.html
I think this is an awesome idea. Except for this year, I have been getting new dyno results annualy. I haven't had to do any tuning, though, and I'm switching to a Megasquirt standalone soon.
Since this type of dyno doesn't rely on friction from the tires it wouldn't have wheel spin issues with big power.
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pin wrote:
Since this type of dyno doesn't rely on friction from the tires it wouldn't have wheel spin issues with big power.Exactly why this dyno is so awesome. You can put a car on the dyno, get the initial results, then just change say oil or air filter and see a true difference. It eliminates a lot of the x factors from a rolling drum style dyno... This dyno can also hold your car at a certain RPM for as long as you want! Like I said before, the dyno controls the car, the car doesn't control the dyno! VERY BADA$$ design!
Jason
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I think it is a great idea. The cost and time of a trip to the cities along with having to clear your schedule for a road trip ect is not something people up here love doing. I have tried multiple times to get an appoitment to make the trip but have not been able to because of scheduling conflicts and their shop hours. People who are awd who do not have the option of a spool should be crossing their fingers for this, especially if you do private appointments. I would spend my 500 bucks with you rather then a trip to st paul. The only thing I would say is a downer is the negative attention associated with the noise of running a dyno on main. Police already see mufflers as a problem, what are they going to say about a v8 running full throttle with no exhaust on main st?
edit/ what tom said two seconds before me
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92BlackTT wrote:
The only thing I would say is a downer is the negative attention associated with the noise of running a dyno on main. Police already see mufflers as a problem, what are they going to say about a v8 running full throttle with no exhaust on main st?I think the big problem in the past with noise is running it at night. We would have it 24/7 and if nighttime became an issue, we would just make sure to have the tuning during the day... Our new location really doesn't have a lot of businesses or buildings around us. If we did it on the eastside of the building, or indoors, I don't forsee a major issue. Good point, and we will have to consider this as well! It is just gonna be super nice if we do this, having the rolling hub adaptors being able to go anywhere at anytime!
Jason
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that sounds awesome, i would use it for sure. at least a couple times a year if not more
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I haven't researched this dyno all that much but my question is, if the dyno does the driving, how do you shift gears?
Also, if I were to bring a car in would you let me tune it myself or am I required to have a tintmasters employee tune the car for me? I'd prefer to tune the car myself.
EDIT: If I was able to tune the car(s) myself, I could see me personally using it 3-6 times per year.
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darkelvis wrote:
I haven't researched this dyno all that much but my question is, if the dyno does the driving, how do you shift gears?Also, if I were to bring a car in would you let me tune it myself or am I required to have a tintmasters employee tune the car for me? I'd prefer to tune the car myself.
EDIT: If I was able to tune the car(s) myself, I could see me personally using it 3-6 times per year.
the dyno doesn't do the driving. One of its options is to hold the car at a certain RPM. It does this by adding load so that the motor can't go above that RPM.
More Info about that:
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In about a year and a half, two years when the 6s's have put on that new turbo and problems have shown up or not I'd have it on their.... Have you thought about one of those systems you can do custom computer tuning or do you do that already??? Mike's custom truck offers that can't remeber which company it's in with but he sends off the info from his dyno to the computer chip company and they email him a new set of param's and he burns them to a chip and re-dyno's it to see what happens...
Honestly I'm kind of surprised you didn't have a dyno already
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when i was in NY a mazda shop had one of the dynapack dynos and absolutely swore by it...ive seen em use it on TV etc and have heard nothing but good things about it. Honestly I would love to have one in town instead of having to make sure one is in town or worrying about having my car make the trip largely untuned etc...it would be awesome when i go PFC so i don't blow it up haha...i say go for it...
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I could see my self using a couple times a year maybe more depending on how fast the performance mods come. Also if i get enough mods i would consides tuning yearly. 75 for like 4 pulls or how many pulls you thinking. I dont know about the 112 for tuning an hour. How long does it take to tune a car roughly?
Matt
92 Civic HB
JDM d15b w/14b@8psi
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Only thing I don't like about Dynapack is that they tend to have higher numbers than traditional dyno configurations and it doesn't take the rotating mass of the wheels into consideration when tuning (whether this matters or not is another story all together). I'd probably use the dyno 4-6 times a year and almost exclusively for tuning. The $112/hour, does that include having you guys tune the car or can I tune myself at a reduced rate? Would you guys be going to training schools on AEM tuning and UTEC/Hydra tuning? How about Hondata? Not that those matter to me, I'll just tune it myself, but it will probably make a difference to others that want tuning done. Also, would you guys be offended if (for example) me, Kirk, Joe, Stephen & Schulzy paid for someone like Jorge Rift (Payne Technologies) to come to fargo and tune our vehicles (meaning a tuning day by the top tuner in the Subaru community in the united states)?
How about offering a discount if you buy X amount of dollars, you can tune for a Y% discount the day of your appointment...maybe get some baseline runs in and then see what kind of gains you got from the mods?
If I sound negative, I apologize, I am just trying to throw some ideas your way and I really hope that you do go through with this (when can I book my appointment???)
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