2008 Minnesota Vikings thread
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drift86;234994 wrote:
Ok so he was basically just hoping that he was where he was supposed to be and was not covered? Well I'm not a football player but that doesn't sound smart!As a general rule, when you walk up to the line of scrimmage and read the coverage, you have a set receiver, otherwise known as a hot read. If you wait for a receiver to actually get open(on most occasions, anyway), it won't turn out well. When they talk about timing, this is exactly what they mean. Passing is all about rhythm and timing. However, not every route works like this(ie streaks). You could tell Jackson was not ready to handle their excellent press coverage(I hate to say it, but I am a Woodson fan, ever since Michigan), but I'd say it was maybe a little too physical to be completely legal........
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New starter this week at QB...
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This is one case where I hope to be wrong but huge mistake. ESPN was just pointing out the fact the Vikings' receivers/tight end have dropped 2 sure TD's and a 190 yards worth of sure catches in these 2 games. There's plenty more that weren't "sure catches" that SHOULD'VE been catches. Not to mention the pathetic play calling...don't even wanna start on the play calling. Fuck the coaching staff. If they use Frerotte like a real QB he might look better but he's not.
But I'm a Vikings fan before a T-Jack fan so a win will be a win no matter who gets the credit but this is a mistake.
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Exactly. We could have had Chad Pennington. What the FUCK are we thinking? We would have been like the Ravens/Bucs for all I cared. We have a GREAT RB, and that makes the passing game MUCH easier, and who better to take advantage of that in our shitty conservative "passing" game, but Mr. Pennington, the career leader in completion percentage. We get big plays in the run game, we don't need an 80 yard pass deep, if we can connect on 70% of passes under 15 yards. It moves the chains. The regime is too stubborn to change its plan and it won't work well. I'm tired of the play calling as well. It's ridiculous. It looked like the Redskins offense from that first monday night game...need 17 on 3rd down you get 4...on 4th down you dump it off to your back and get maybe 8. It's a mirror image.
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TJack sucks. he can't make plays with his arms. outside of the williamson catch and the rice catch, his rating of passes completed 20 yards or more is pathetic, thats 20 yard throw and catch, not 20 yard throw, catch then run.
Great move. Now just open up the playbook
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If the object of football was to stand still and throw a football through a tire hanging from a tree, Gus would probably be the better choice. But our receivers don't know how to get separation and the one that does (berrian) has a hurt toe still so we need that mobility. I'm not saying T-Jack will ever be a Manning, Brady, or even a top 10 quarterback but we haven't seen him fully used. Young quarterbacks need to get into a rhythm. The repetitive and predictable offensive schemes are the last thing that's gonna help him.
Frerotte will likely be sacked 6 or 7 times and they'll have to bring T-Jack back anyway....but if Frerotte can prove me wrong I wouldn't mind it one bit.
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again.
jackson has never proven he can make plays with his arm.
he has shown 0 progression in 16 games. he's too inconsistent.
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He hasn't been given a chance. If we're gonna accuse him of losing games for us, let him lose a full game. Not let him make hand offs up the middle for 57 minutes then expect him to save the day like we did against the Packers. Like I said....rhythm.
I wish we had a back-up for Brad Childress. There's a reason they didn't let him call plays in Philly...........
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Omg. He passes for like 26-30 times a game and only gets 150 yards. Rarely gets a passing td. Hell hes had 2 halves so far this year with 30 passing yards or less.
Its really obvious Childress(who i hate dont get me wrong) has no faith in the kid to do stuff in through the air.
And Im with him there, I think TJack sucks.
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Tjack is a worthless fuck, end of story, end of thread. They win the first game he doesn't play if that's not the writing on the wall I don't know what is..
How you can continue to ride his nuts is beyond me.
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Tjack sucks.
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integra_gsr98;237359 wrote:
Tjack is a worthless fuck, end of story, end of thread. They win the first game he doesn't play if that's not the writing on the wall I don't know what is..How you can continue to ride his nuts is beyond me.
When you learn that playcalling is a part of football, get back to me. Thanks -
You can't call passing plays if the QB can't pass though. Of course they're gonna take advantage of the fact that Frerotte can throw the ball, and use a lot more passing plays. It was a great decision to try something different, and obviously it worked. Hopefully they keep it up. They really really need to cut back on penalties though, being over 100 yards in penalties doesn't do much for your team.
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It's never been proven to me that Jackson can't pass. I've only seen him have the opportunity to pass when it's fully expected. Frerotte got to pass through out the whole game. Childress and Bevell knew their asses were on the line once they couldn't push the blame on T-Jack so they opened the playbook up more..simple as that. One Frerotte gets a concussion and/or injured, you'll see the real Tarvaris Jackson.
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Tad218;237390 wrote:
It's never been proven to me that Jackson can't pass. I've only seen him have the opportunity to pass when it's fully expected. Frerotte got to pass through out the whole game. Childress and Bevell knew their asses were on the line once they couldn't push the blame on T-Jack so they opened the playbook up more..simple as that. One Frerotte gets a concussion and/or injured, you'll see the real Tarvaris Jackson.Exactly throwing interceptions and making bone head plays.
If they're going to groom a QB for the future then they need to get Booty some snaps.
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Tad218;237390 wrote:
It's never been proven to me that Jackson can't pass. I've only seen him have the opportunity to pass when it's fully expected. Frerotte got to pass through out the whole game. Childress and Bevell knew their asses were on the line once they couldn't push the blame on T-Jack so they opened the playbook up more..simple as that. One Frerotte gets a concussion and/or injured, you'll see the real Tarvaris Jackson.I'm guessing that was play-calling by the people who see both T-Jack and Frerotte passing every single day. They trusted what Gus could do and didn't trust what Jackson could do. You yourself said play calling is a big part of the game, so apparently someone realized that the plays that Jackson knew and could execute fairly reliably were not good enough to win the game.
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