What do you guys think?
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http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=448548 Thats the link i found with the prices.
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out there;223110 wrote:
blah blah blah, same trash as always. i haven't seen anything significantly new come out of the big three to make me think highly of them. in my opinion, us automakers deserve to be on the verge of locking their doors.So they deserve to be on the verge of locking their doors because they haven't come out with a vehicle that YOU like?
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chevymann;223104 wrote:
The sticker price for the z28 i read was around 40k thats with it supercharged and 525hp. I def. am thinking about buying the z28 when it comes out for sure.chevymann;223105 wrote:
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=448548 Thats the link i found with the prices.That post is just some random guy making shit up. Those numbers are not from GM.
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MisterCMK;223116 wrote:
So they deserve to be on the verge of locking their doors because they haven't come out with a vehicle that YOU like?sorry some people have present style. those cars had stopped being manufactured for a reason, and they should stay that way. they went down in the books as being very nice respectable vehicles. and the comebacks result in junk.
they are unecomonical to say the least. PLUS they provide a cheap way for a brutha to put a bad name on ANOTHER car. i dont like seeing 22's on a classic. do you?
so do they really give people a reason to like them? and have they come out with a new vehicle at all?? hmmmm...
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they are on the verge of failure because they've been rehashing the same crud for years without paying attention to market interests.
i will grant that there are plenty of middle-aged men who want "retro" things to feel young again. personally, i think they're going about it the wrong way. if you want a gto, buy an original gto, not a new imitation. if you want coffee, drink coffee, not decaffeinated brown water loaded cream and sugar. when you want something because of the features inherent in it, your craving won't be satisfied by something that lacks those features (why would you buy a v6 camaro?)
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no_slow_clap;223119 wrote:
sorry some people have present style. those cars had stopped being manufactured for a reason, and they should stay that way. they went down in the books as being very nice respectable vehicles. and the comebacks result in junk.they are unecomonical to say the least. PLUS they provide a cheap way for a brutha to put a bad name on ANOTHER car. i dont like seeing 22's on a classic. do you?
so do they really give people a reason to like them? and have they come out with a new vehicle at all?? hmmmm...
What looks good to one person doesn't necessarily look good to another. Personal preference is a wonderful thing.
Uneconomical? How so?
Seems to me that they do give people a reason to like them. Look at the huge following for the S197 Mustang, the 2010 Camaro and the new Chryslers...
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MisterCMK;223122 wrote:
What looks good to one person doesn't necessarily look good to another. Personal preference is a wonderful thing.Uneconomical? How so?
Seems to me that they do give people a reason to like them. Look at the huge following for the S197 Mustang, the 2010 Camaro and the new Chryslers...
but was the mustang ever taken out of productiuon....NO
thats where you fail because you are comparing vehicale A (mustang), which has had a great run in the market, and has only been improved upon to current and future expectations, to vehicles B,C,D...and so on (camaro, charger, challenger) that has already succeeded and failed in their own standards.
so why not do as ford and improve on what matters NOW, rather than take 2 steps back and take a legend in its own and put a bad name on it.
you as a marketer and producer, would do better innovating and exploring into new and better things. and would fail as trying bring something back from the dead.
Uneconomical? How so?
well....why hasent chevy, dodge/chrystler looked into making a hybrid car. sure chevy has the hybrid suburban....but even so it still sucks down gas.
i dont think a 50 yr old man wants to buy a suburban just for himself, only to get the hybrid benefit. and if hes in a midlife crisis where hes looking for something sporty then why blow all that money, and then some on a gas guzzling renovated camaro?? it just doesnt make sence when its a lose-lose situation.
yes, personal style is important, but when personal style conflicts with what left in your wallet to enjoy what you want...it makes you think.
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out there;223120 wrote:
if you want a gto, buy an original gto, not a new imitation. if you want coffee, drink coffee, not decaffeinated brown water loaded cream and sugar. when you want something because of the features inherent in it, your craving won't be satisfied by something that lacks those features (why would you buy a v6 camaro?)EXACTLY. cuz brown water tastes like shit.
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Chevy is making hybrids, ever hear of the Volt? Chrysler is on the way to bringing clean diesels over here that they have in europe. Ford makes a few different hybrids that are actually fairly economical. So the "big three" are taking steps, they just don't care enough to make a big leap and actually push these projects into the mainstream.
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untitledfolder;223129 wrote:
Chevy is making hybrids, ever hear of the Volt? Chrysler is on the way to bringing clean diesels over here that they have in europe. Ford makes a few different hybrids that are actually fairly economical. So the "big three" are taking steps, they just don't care enough to make a big leap and actually push these projects into the mainstream.ok, im proven wrong. but not completly
just as you said, they havent CARED enough to put them mainstream....are they scared of making money?? of do they think they have already lost the hybrid game because honda and toyota beat them to it?? they dont CARE enought to make new idea either...instead they dig up old great ideas and turn them into trash.
honda and toyota looked into future issues (like our gas prices) and now you can got somewhere without seeing a civic/fit/prius/whatever else they have thats hybrid.
in regards to the link, what stand out the most is the malibu hybrid has been out for some time now. yet it states LIMITED AVAILABILITY....once again. why not produce more of whats going to sell, and less of whats not?? do you really think the family man is out shopping for a corvette??
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if you ask me imports and domestics have both positives and negatives, everyone has their own style and taste. i was just showing that there was hybrids that they made, as far as the camaro goes myself in time will get a camaro around the 67' but not while i live up here when i can maybe use it 2 months out of the year, the new one i'd just use all year round. it will be alot more easier to own one when we move but i myself like different, and the new camaro is bringing some old and new to it so its different, different and change is good in my opinion.
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chevymann;223133 wrote:
if you ask me imports and domestics have both positives and negatives, everyone has their own style and taste. i was just showing that there was hybrids that they made, as far as the camaro goes myself in time will get a camaro around the 67' but not while i live up here when i can maybe use it 2 months out of the year, the new one i'd just use all year round. it will be alot more easier to own one when we move but i myself like different, and the new camaro is bringing some old and new to it so its different, different and change is good in my opinion.yes very true.
imports have the reliability factor...while being dogshit slow.
domestics are made to have power, but not much to support it when things start to break.
the new camaro will be nice to a point, but i just dont get why people want to bring back a legend with the high possibility that it will fail.
like putting bush back in office or making the charger a four door....
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there should be. i dont get why there they would still think all the same junk will pass as todays latest and greatest.
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91nbtsi;223139 wrote:
So I guess when the GT-R comes back, it is going to be a stupid move by Nissan... god I hate remakes of legendary cars.was the gtr ever taken out of production??? (idk) i thought it was replaced by the GT-R ztune (still a skyline) untill the recent reproduction of it. and personally i dont like the new gtr's. i think the past models will still out live the current remake.
but with the research are the remakes built to the demands of what people are looking for??
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no_slow_clap;223119 wrote:
sorry some people have present style. those cars had stopped being manufactured for a reason, and they should stay that way. they went down in the books as being very nice respectable vehicles. and the comebacks result in junk.They were stopped from being manufactured because of the emissions standards set forth in the early 70's (ever notice that nearly ALL muscle car models died at the same time?)
they are unecomonical to say the least. PLUS they provide a cheap way for a brutha to put a bad name on ANOTHER car. i dont like seeing 22's on a classic. do you?
I don't like seeing 22's on anything, but that isn't the point...I don't like fake tits either, but some people don't mind them.
so do they really give people a reason to like them? and have they come out with a new vehicle at all?? hmmmm...
Let's see:
EFI, ABS, Air bags, ECU, better crash rating, etc....
Nope, nothing has changed since 1974.
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