OBAMA is a socialist!!!!
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I've forgotten more about politics than most of you know....
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MisterCMK;244149 wrote:
Chuck, what would you do without google?I dunno....resort to my Time-Life book collection outlining the 20th century and maybe my back copies of Readers Digest?
It would be really tough if Parker asked me to use google to find something and then I would get all confused asking a number that consists of a 1 and one hundred "0's" a question and it looking at me all like...wtf dude, I'm a number...not an internets...go ask that yahoo over that what you want to know!
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Parker;244148 wrote:
this is way to easy to get you libs riled up.....
u chuckI think it is funny the other way around that I can debate successfully a message board full of conservatives that somehow think the world would be better with zero taxes and zero social programs.
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tjamz;244157 wrote:
I think it is funny the other way around that I can debate successfully a message board full of conservatives that somehow think the world would be better with zero taxes and zero social programs.
were did i say zero taxes and social programs? i stated before that i dont want my taxes to go up.... and under the obama plan they will.... you cant argue that... there are always going to be programs to help the less fortunate..... but i dont want to see people that can be working getting free fucking handouts with my damn tax money... and i dont think that someone that dosent pay takes should get anything back.... -
DelSlow;244161 wrote:
Communism > Democracy.Uhhhh....no
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tjamz;244147 wrote:
They've only been wrong 1 time that I'm aware of....and that was when a newspaper mistakenly said that someone else won the election
HAHA -- Irony -- There's a newspaper that has already published an Obama win.. Since they only publish like twice a month or so (IIRC) they published Obama as the winner..
Google it for more info., but it was out there.. On CNN not too long ago.
Could be another Dewey/Truman result HAHA
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Im voting for Obama in hopes that parker has to pay more taxes next year.
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MisterCMK;244169 wrote:
Chuck, you are a conservative.Shh....don't go wrecking my image....
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Back on topic a bit, the reason people are thinking Obama is a socialist isn't because of the numbers he's claiming in his tax plan, it's because of what he's said (spreading the wealth, etc). If he was given free reign of the tax plan what do you think he would set up? When Reagan was president he was only able to lower the tax rates a certain amount, but if he had free reign over it what do you think he would have done? Huge changes in our system are not possible due to the checks and balances, the problem is that things keep creeping toward socialism slowly, and before you know it there we are.....
DaveH
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Except under Obama's tax plans, he (last I heard) was going to allow the current tax cuts to expire, reverting back to tax brackets from the year 2000. Since he's not actually CHANGING anything himself by signing off on something, he doesn't consider this a tax increase. In fact, a single person earning $50,000 a year will end up paying ~$1,000 more annually in taxes starting in 2010 under his plan. Let me see if I can go find the article again...
Also you guys are throwing out the 250K number, haven't you heard that there is speculation that the bracket might be down to 150K now?
Some of you also seem to conveinently forget that democrats are generally pro union, which in large part is behind the failing of the airline and auto industires. The idea behind lowering taxes on corporations may seem retarded at face value but when you look at the goal of it you'd see how smart it is. Right now it is cheaper for a company to build it's next plant overseas because profits made overseas are NOT TAXED AT ALL BY US and taxed at a much lower rate by the country they are located. If we closed this tax code loophole AND lowered our taxes stateside, there would be a LARGE incentive for companies to build their next plant right here in the good ol US of A. Unfortunately every time something like this is considered, dem's cry OH WHY LOWER TAXES ON CORPORATIONS!?!?!? Now, lowering taxes on the corporations alone won't do nearly as much as lowering taxes on them AND starting to tax their overseas profits. This would create more jobs in the country and (feasibly) bring over $500 Billion back into the country as well. Doesn't sound so bad after all now does it?
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StangerBanger96;244203 wrote:
Except under Obama's tax plans, he (last I heard) was going to allow the current tax cuts to expire, reverting back to tax brackets from the year 2000. Since he's not actually CHANGING anything himself by signing off on something, he doesn't consider this a tax increase. In fact, a single person earning $50,000 a year will end up paying ~$1,000 more annually in taxes starting in 2010 under his plan. Let me see if I can go find the article again...Also you guys are throwing out the 250K number, haven't you heard that there is speculation that the bracket might be down to 150K now?
Some of you also seem to conveinently forget that democrats are generally pro union, which in large part is behind the failing of the airline and auto industires. The idea behind lowering taxes on corporations may seem retarded at face value but when you look at the goal of it you'd see how smart it is. Right now it is cheaper for a company to build it's next plant overseas because profits made overseas are NOT TAXED AT ALL BY US and taxed at a much lower rate by the country they are located. If we closed this tax code loophole AND lowered our taxes stateside, there would be a LARGE incentive for companies to build their next plant right here in the good ol US of A. Unfortunately every time something like this is considered, dem's cry OH WHY LOWER TAXES ON CORPORATIONS!?!?!? Now, lowering taxes on the corporations alone won't do nearly as much as lowering taxes on them AND starting to tax their overseas profits. This would create more jobs in the country and (feasibly) bring over $500 Billion back into the country as well. Doesn't sound so bad after all now does it?
People making less than $250,000 will not see their taxes increase, and people making less than $200,000 will receive some type of tax cut. Those in the $200,000 to $250,000 range will see zero change.
Per the Tax Policy Center, here is how Obama's tax plan breaks down for individuals:
$0-$18,891 = $567 tax cut
$18,982-$37,595 = $892 tax cut
$37,596-$66,354 = $1,118 tax cut
$66,355-$111,645 = $1,264 tax cut
$111,646-$160,972 = $2,135 tax cut
$160,973-$226,918 = $2,796 tax cut
$226,919-$603,402 = $121 tax increase
$603,403-$2.87 million = $93,709 tax increase
$2.87 million-plus = $542,882 tax increaseWhat I have highlighted in red up above is pretty much what I've been saying all along.
I'm pro-workers rights (40 hour work weeks, etc...) and I think that although unions provide a lot of benefits for the workers, it also sets up a line of worker responsibility and a solid course of corrective action that in some cases makes it easier to terminate an employee than in non-union environments...IOW if the guy is a fuck up, write his ass up on 3 legit problems and terminate him.
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