Help your 11 year old dodge the draft!
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PSiedTSi;245819 wrote:
I remember during the 97 flood, We got let out of school to go sandbag.Think how fast shit would have gotten done if everyone in your school was required to sandbag. There is so much stuff that could get done with required community service, this could really help out communities.
I'm currently getting scholarships that are funded by AmeriCorps and this exact statement by Obama is on my top 5 list of the reasons I voted for him. He wants to expand volunteer and community service funding which is awesome and will really help out.
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Wow.
This is the draft for kids. That doesn't bother you? Do you know who gets mandatory "community service" now? Criminals.
The government has no right to force my children to do anything.
My objections have nothing to do with giving back or serving or any such thing. It has to do with it being mandatory and with the government deciding what constitutes "service".
The draft is immoral. The draft for kids is unthinkable.
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Bassplayer;245823 wrote:
Think how fast shit would have gotten done if everyone in your school was required to sandbag. There is so much stuff that could get done with required community service, this could really help out communities.Why stop at forcing school kids to do it, why not force "everyone" to get out and sand bag? think how much could get done then.
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Bassplayer;245823 wrote:
He wants to expand volunteer and community service funding which is awesome and will really help out.To me volunteering means doing so because u want to do it, out of the goodness of your heart, not because ur being forced to...
I have nothing against vonlunteering, I did plenty of community service for confirmantion and to become an Eagle Scout... It felt really good helping people out. I don't believe in forcing people to do so though.
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DelSlow;245830 wrote:
i_dunno_i_think_if_the_government doesnt _ start _ teaching _ 'your'_ kids the act_ of_ giving_ back... im_ pretty_ sure_ you_ wont_ teach_ them_ that.a few problems
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you capitalized "your" kids like they aren't my kids. Where are you going exactly?
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if you want to have an e-penis contest about charity work, we can do that. That kind of defeats the point, but you have no right or basis to assume what I do or what I'll teach my kids regarding charity.
I'm actually shocked at how authoritarian all you guys are. The government can make anyone do anything it wants as long as somebody thinks it will be a good idea or "good for them"?
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bubba;245832 wrote:
I have nothing against vonlunteering, I did plenty of community service for confirmantion and to become an Eagle Scout... It felt really good helping people out. I don't believe in forcing people to do so though.Ok so let me get this straight, you had to do community service for confirmation and scouts, but you're against doing it for your country? I realize they are "voluntary" organizations, but as a kid, are they really? Most kids(me being one) go through confirmation whether they like it or not. Scouts may be different, but I know my parents tried getting me to go too...
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I neither trust the feds to choose what "community service" means in a way that I'd agree with, nor do I see that they have any constitutional authority to require children to work.
Wasn't the rise of the labor movement in the US precisely to get away from child labor?
But now the government is going to require it?
The only silver lining in this is that it may only be required if you're going to public school or trying to get government college loans. I've always planned on having my kids be homeschooled and to not need government money if they go to college, so maybe there's a shred of hope left after all. I'm nowhere near as mad if there's a way to opt-out.
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Yeah maybe the feds arent the way to go on enforcing this, But I think it would be better if they left it up to the school districts. I think its a decent Idea. Besides a lot of colleges these days require so many hours of community service to get into certain programs or even just to graduate.
Like if High school childeren were required 10 hours every year It wouldnt be that bad or hard to get it done. They may learn some great things by doing this. All they would have to do is volunteer somewhere, like a nursing home, childrens hospital, big brothers-big sisters programs. I know if this was there when I was in high school it probably would have made me a better person, or else I would have found a loop hole to get out of it.
So its a good concept but how to go about it I dont know exactly.
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I was going to quote some people...but eh..I'm kinda speaking to everyone on this.
Right now we have mandatory programs in our schools already that are geared towards physical fitness, world history, computers, etc...not all the best examples, but what I am saying is that there are core programs in our school systems already that are designed to provide the basic necessities for surviving in the world (IOW, required classes vs elective classes). Why shouldn't good will towards your fellow man be part of that training? Ultimately, wouldn't community service lessen the expense of government in providing care for those on welfare or other social programs? Wouldn't it ultimately inspire people to donate to charities as they get older so that (ideally) we could cut back on the social programs already in place? I keep hearing that we want the gov't to stop these programs and for charity work to be carried out by churches and other charities...I also hear that enough is not being done at these churches and charities....isn't it possible that this will help? By teaching mankind to help one another instead of relying solely on the government for help/assistance aren't we raising a better generation of citizens?
Yes, I know that you are planning on homeschooling Thrash, and I applaud your efforts on this, however (and I could be wrong here) I believe that there are required courses even for home schooling to get a diploma (or equivalent) from the state...this may or may not be one of them.
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tjamz;245849 wrote:
By teaching mankind to help one another instead of relying solely on the government for help/assistance aren't we raising a better generation of citizens?That is exactly what I take out of it. Aren't we supposed to lead by example? Maybe if the world sees the "glorious" nation of the US putting our materialistic views aside for an hour a week, they may look at us differently, or do the same thing...
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I don't know about you guys but our class was required to go do some community service before we could graduate...so...some schools already require it.
How many of you people that are for this mandate are happy with the Patriot Act?
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if they wanna listen to my girlfriend telling me what to buy at the grocery store, fine, let them listen.
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PSiedTSi;245861 wrote:
LOL out with it!I was just wondering how many people felt the Patriot Act was an intrusion of privacy into our lives and think it's one of the worst things ever, yet are in favor of forcing kids to serve their communities.
I mean, what's wrong with the government listening in on you if you're not doing anything wrong right?
By the way I do NOT support the patriot act, nor do I support this "America Serves" plan either.
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