2009 Perfect 10 Show
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RidinRails;266051 wrote:
My only problem is that i can pick all the winners of the show before it even happens.
I'm guessing everyone that won an award last year, also won an award the year before, even though their car was 95% the same. Hell even stock cars can win, and thats kinda odd.Then, maybe you should be a judge.
I seen a few cars that were hand over fists above the rest and deserved to win while others caught me by surprise. Even me placing at all last year. I thought Parker was going to get the trophy I got.
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I'd be happy to be a judge, atleast i'd be fair.
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RidinRails;266051 wrote:
My only problem is that i can pick all the winners of the show before it even happens.
I'm guessing everyone that won an award last year, also won an award the year before, even though their car was 95% the same. Hell even stock cars can win, and thats kinda odd.Hmm agreed.
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you know it is all nice that the guys put alot of work into the cars.
but i walked though the show last year and was like yup those are the same damn cars i have seen for the last how many years.
it just is to much of the same stuff.
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DrifterExtreme;266148 wrote:
you know it is all nice that the guys put alot of work into the cars.but i walked though the show last year and was like yup those are the same damn cars i have seen for the last how many years.
it just is to much of the same stuff.
ok, then do something different and put your own car in the show.
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I'd agree that the top winning cars generally win year after year....but they hardly stay the same. Some do little things that make them stand out (Tony Swartz), others upgrade a previously unfinished area of their vehicles (Scott Blodgett), some do major work (Brent Mills). The trick to winning a best of class/best of show is to cover every area of judging as best you can. There will always be people who don't like how a car is judged...no doubt, but it is a combined effort (usually) of 3 judges who determine the overall score. I'd expect that you will see fairly consistent numbers from each of the judges. Generally, the obvious best of shows are judged first, just to set the standard that all the others are judged against. Last year that was Brent Mills and Tony Swartz (no surprises there) at both shows that I had the honor of judging.
The general rule of thumb for covering your bases is to modify these basic categories:
Interior
Exterior
Suspension
ICE
Wheels
**Cleanliness **
Display
and at some shows, knowledge of what/why you have the parts you do, how rare they are, etc...The guys who score well at big shows are the guys who sell the judges on their cars. If you want to score major points, you point out your strengths and distract judges from your weaknesses (seriously).
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RidinRails;266051 wrote:
My only problem is that i can pick all the winners of the show before it even happens.
I'm guessing everyone that won an award last year, also won an award the year before, even though their car was 95% the same. Hell even stock cars can win, and thats kinda odd.-
I doubt you can pick the winners ahead of time. A few classes perhaps, but not all the awards
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It isn't possible for every car that won last year to have won the year before, because we had ~80 cars enter in 2007, and ~160 last year.... So of the new 80 entries, none of them won awards over the same entries as last year?
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I am interested in a stock car that has ever won an award at P10. I'll give you $5 cash for every stock car that won an award. I have the trophy list from last year, so that $5 might as well be $cagillionbillion.
DrifterExtreme;266148 wrote:
you know it is all nice that the guys put alot of work into the cars.but i walked though the show last year and was like yup those are the same damn cars i have seen for the last how many years.
it just is to much of the same stuff.
See #2 from the list above. The cars that may have caught your attention may be the same cars to win 2 years in a row (there was only a very few that did), but even I was very super surprised at some of the winners last year....
I encourage the people that were in the show last year to attend again. What fun is it to only show your car when you have invested all the money and time you plan on into the car? We aren't in SOCAL, so I expect nearly 100% of entries to return the next year with a few changes to the car. If all I accepted was new entries each year, the show would have about 2 years of success, then everyone 'has already seen that car'. Come this year with a few mods, and come next year to show what you have changed. That is what a show is about....isn't it?
Here is a quick group of clubs that I can speak of that were at the show last year, that weren't in 2007....with ~80 new entries, there is no argument, and of those that did enter last year, many had new cars (Parker, Smax, etc...).
Chad M - Eurowerkz 00' BMW 323Ci
Eric R - Eurowerkz 96' M3
Will R - Eurowerkz 03' M3
Raj M - Eurowerkz 04' M3
Josh T - Eurowerkz 04' M3
Dan C - Eurowerkz 96' M3
Dan C - Eurowerkz 03' M5Curtis S - Midwest Tuners 01' Celica
Patrick H - Midwest Tuners 06' Sti
Dustin T - Midwest Tuners 96' Integra
Josh S - Midwest Tuners 96' CivicJason M - MitsuNation 03' Lancer OZ
Jamus Y - MitsuNation 06' Lancer RA
Mathew C - MitsuNation 08' Lancer SE
Michelle S - MitsuNation 06' Lancer RA
Jolene W - MitsuNation 91' 3000gt
Darrell L - MitsuNation 08' EVORobert S - Drastic WPG 02' Chevrolet S10
Jared R - Drastic WPG 01 Chevy S10Nathan C - Cicio Crew 05' STI
Tyler R - Cicio Crew 01' Prelude
Brock W - Cicio Crew 02' RSXNathan K - G106 98' 1.6EL
Johnson V - G106 98' Integra
Danville D - G106 96' Civic
Reynard M - G106 90' CRX
Richard C - G106 05' Sti
Anthony T - G106 96' Integra
Jake L - G106 98' Civic
Randell M - G106 96' 240sx
Khay K - G106 91' 240sxJan/Jody Z - Zedril Racing 03' Mitsu Lancer RALLY
There are some inaccuracies in some of the G106 cars. The guys changed cars at roll-in, but all the paid entries had a new car of some sort to P10.
It is ok if some people feel the show is meh, or boring. I know I am far from a perfect show coordinator, and have only so much $ to work with, but considering the show originated in the parking lot at the old shop, I think it brings something fun for local automotive enthusiasts to the area. Each year we add more and more to the budget, which allows us to fly in professional models, and have a cooler stage, and a bigger venue. I can't control who enters, but I know that as we grow, more people can enter, and as long as MORE people enter, that guarantees NEW cars to the show. Maybe once the Fargodome is sold out and we cannot get a bigger venue the same cars will come every year.....but that would simply show that the scene is dying and that having more P10s may not be a wise choice for lack of return spectators.
Bash the show all you want, just use more valid points, so I can learn from your gripes and improve on them for the upcoming shows.
Jason Christopherson
Perfect 10 Show Coordinator
[email protected]
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For the record...the award I won was for best detailer. I did not win an award for the car. I just happened to be in charge of prepping, fully detailing, and maintaining three cars. I also helped with a fourth car. Next time someone wants to complain about winning an award for having a "stock" car make sure you know what I actually won the award for.
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maximumhp;266357 wrote:
For the record...the award I won was for best detailer. I did not win an award for the car. I just happened to be in charge of prepping, fully detailing, and maintaining three cars. I also helped with a fourth car. Next time someone wants to complain about winning an award for having a "stock" car make sure you know what I actually won the award for.:icon_cheers::icon_cheers::icon_cheers:
Made my night Tony.
Again, please feel to add comments (positive or negative) about the show, just make sure you are educated on the subject you are speaking on, before you do so.
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I made a comment asking (well maybe not asking, but commenting) about why we there is a shit ton of "models," and it got deleted...by you I'm assuming. So the question is; do you really want feedback/comments positive or negative...or just positive comments?
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Best engine compartment - Bill O.
Compared to a lot of cars at last years show initially Bills Mustang was not in my opinion the "Best Engine Compartment"................................................
HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes!!!!! Its true!!! Other cars had nicer engine paint and more chrome/detailed engine compartments.
BUT..... After seeing the amount of work, design, welding, bending, forcing,cutting, bleeding, swearing and drinking involved to make Bills car work, I can only think of a few other cars that were even on the same league. My initial instincts were for form over function. That was simple a error on my part. Bill, Dave, Matt and anyone else who can design and jam all that turbo stuff under a hood where I can hardly fit a BBC deserves some recognition. Initially my concept of "BEST" was "PRETTIEST" was mistaken, see my ex-wives for further explanation.
The only award that was wrong was best paint, but I didnt enter so pffffttttt!!!!
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