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Trafik Jamz

ichibankilla;279713 wrote:
Ah! The old, I'm right because you can't prove god exists theory vs. the I'm right because you can't prove god doesn't exist theory.

Now, as the late great George Carlin stated. "If there really is a god may he strike me down right hear where I stand!"

Actually, the quote was "If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead!"

SPANISH-RICE

PSiedTSi;279727 wrote:
What exactly are you saying by this? The universe had to be created by "someone"?

Then where would that "someone" have come from?

Trafik Jamz

I, like many of the above, believe in a higher power, just not necessarily the stories of the bible/quran/etc... at least not literally. Do I think the bible is a great book in which to live your life by? For the most part, yes. But to take everything literally is taking things a bit too far.

For example, many anti-gay people quote the bible (or more specifically Leviticus) as saying homosexuality is an abomination (see below).....

***"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man lie with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)***

what they tend to gloss over is the rest of Leviticus that spells out many other abominations such as:

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

"...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7)

"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

***"But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)

"They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination." (Leviticus 11:11)

"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)***

Anyone see how the trend that people only pick/choose what they want to believe in from the bible? I'm pretty sure that all of us have done some of the abominable things spelled out in Leviticus.

So in recapping, the rules/guidelines set forth by religion are (generally) good guidelines to live by....even though the book itself is flawed and not practiced fully by any of the religions that follow it.

SmitEvo

Trafik Jamz;279735 wrote:
I, like many of the above, believe in a higher power, just not necessarily the stories of the bible/quran/etc... at least not literally. Do I think the bible is a great book in which to live your life by? For the most part, yes. But to take everything literally is taking things a bit too far.

For example, many anti-gay people quote the bible (or more specifically Leviticus) as saying homosexuality is an abomination (see below).....

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

"If a man lie with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)

what they tend to gloss over is the rest of Leviticus that spells out many other abominations such as:

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

"...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7)

"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

"But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)

"They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination." (Leviticus 11:11)

"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)

Anyone see how the trend that people only pick/choose what they want to believe in from the bible? I'm pretty sure that all of us have done some of the abominable things spelled out in Leviticus.

So in recapping, the rules/guidelines set forth by religion are (generally) good guidelines to live by....even though the book itself is flawed and not practiced fully by any of the religions that follow it.

Yep...old testament stuff. Better follow that to a T. Then the new testament came around and does not state all of those things. The new way for Christians is through Jesus.

Trafik Jamz

So why keep it in the bible then?

Trafik Jamz

Other than the fact that it has more "direct quotes" from God than any other chapter of the bible....new or old testament

SmitEvo

Trafik Jamz;279738 wrote:
Other than the fact that it has more "direct quotes" from God than any other chapter of the bible....new or old testament

Didnt think the words of Jesus' mouth wouldnt be a direct quote from God himself...:icon_scratch:

Rexwagon

how did this turn into a religous debate weather god is real or not? lol

SPANISH-RICE

rexwagon;279742 wrote:
how did this turn into a religous debate weather god is real or not? Lol

being as the thread was a video about a relgion taking over?

SmitEvo

SPANISH-RICE;279745 wrote:
being as the thread was a video about a relgion taking over?

Jihad!!!

SPANISH-RICE

if you declare jihad on me you better be ready to bring it. i've fought holyer wars than this

....infidel

inspector01

Organized religion is a joke, what has it gotten us, wars, killing in the name of, abusing kids, creating hate & intolerance, etc....

I love people who say your life most suck to not have religion, its better than just following what you are told (by people like priests who abuse kids, or have started wars because someone had a different belief).

I'm not religious, but I've got beliefs.

PSiedTSi

SPANISH-RICE;279732 wrote:
Then where would that "someone" have come from?

Exactly why I don't consider myself agnostic. I guess I am "atheist", because I'm not entirely sure what "higher power" there would even be, other than another intelligent civilization being the catalyst. I just personally think a lot is fueled simply by nature, which could be that higher power?

SmitEvo

PSiedTSi;279759 wrote:
Exactly why I don't consider myself agnostic. I guess I am "atheist", because I'm not entirely sure what "higher power" there would even be, other than another intelligent civilization being the catalyst. I just personally think a lot is fueled simply by nature, which could be that higher power?

You have such a stoner mentality....:)

fdfreak

inspector01;279758 wrote:
Organized religion is a joke, what has it gotten us, wars, killing in the name of, abusing kids, creating hate & intolerance, etc....

I love people who say your life most suck to not have religion, its better than just following what you are told (by people like priests who abuse kids, or have started wars because someone had a different belief).

I'm not religious, but I've got beliefs.

My faith has nothing to do with a priest or a pastor. My faith come straight from the bible. My faith is dependent on my relationship with God. This is a relationship the depends on no one else.

I am sorry for the comment made to spanish rice about his life must suck. I didnt mean that.

Now in the old testament ones entrance into heaven was based on their faith in God and abiding by the ten commandments. The worlds sins became so bad that God sent his son (God in the flesh) to die for our sins to save us from eternal damnation, hence Jesus labeled as our Savior. So for the last 2000 years ones entrance into heaven is based on knowing that Jesus came to earth as flesh, died for humans sins, and he defeated death by rising on the third day.

the feeling of being saved is an experience once has to go through to understand and a joy that nothing else even compares too.

I agree with the statement about Alah and God being the same being. everyone has a different way of praising the same higher power.

GoldyHatchPSI

Regardless of religion. Who wants any more of those stinky bartards running around our country?!

PSiedTSi

SmitEvo;279760 wrote:
You have such a stoner mentality....:)

Lost on that one...

fdfreak wrote:
the feeling of being saved is an experience once has to go through to understand and a joy that nothing else even compares too.

I was born and raised as a church goer. I was confirmed in High School, but the only thing I really felt was that I wasted my time...

If God is real, why do I need to "confirm" that I believe in him? Is my word not good enough?

GoldyHatchPSI;279765 wrote:
Regardless of religion. Who wants any more of those stinky bartards running around our country?!

There's the flaw in the video. Everyone hears "Islamic" and they think middle eastern people. Just because they are Islamic, doesn't mean they are middle eastern...

Rexwagon

PSiedTSi;279766 wrote:
There's the flaw in the video. Everyone hears "Islamic" and they think middle eastern people. Just because they are Islamic, doesn't mean they are middle eastern...

the africans are islamic too

Trafik Jamz

I know of a number of "islamic" people in Fargo who are much whiter than me.....

PSiedTSi

Trafik Jamz;279770 wrote:
I know of a number of "islamic" people in Fargo who are much whiter than me.....

Yeah that was kinda my point...ANY race can be islamic...and most aren't "extremists" like the ones causing harm in the world. It's basically all hype, religion or not IMO. Atleast it urged us to fuck more, not kill the ones "overpopulating".

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