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    thrash
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    In addition to the winter-mix blend being different [and thus delivery requirements and effective octane being different], ethanol has poorer cold-start characteristics than gasoline, which is the reason they do a winter blend to begin with. I think winter E85 is more like E70.

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      Yea, i believe you got tuned in end of July/beginning of August correct kevin? That is about the 1-2 months of the year that we actually have E85. The rest of summer/spring/fall is E75-80, and from about October to April it is E70 which will be about 100 octane and have different fuel requirements as well. Do you have a wideband in the car? It would probably be best to get tuned in spring or fall, and that way you are middle of the road. You could make some changes yourself if you are comfortable doing so, or Ron could take care of it in about an hour I would guess.

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      > bubba to Cobra Rob;279451 wrote:
      > ^ and I thought I posted some dumb shit...

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        inspector01;296386 wrote:
        Yea, i believe you got tuned in end of July/beginning of August correct kevin? That is about the 1-2 months of the year that we actually have E85. The rest of summer/spring/fall is E75-80, and from about October to April it is E70 which will be about 100 octane and have different fuel requirements as well. Do you have a wideband in the car? It would probably be best to get tuned in spring or fall, and that way you are middle of the road. You could make some changes yourself if you are comfortable doing so, or Ron could take care of it in about an hour I would guess.

        Or have more than one tune? A winter and a summer.

        At first I did it for fun, then I realized I made the investment and had to do it!

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        95 240SX SE SR20DET [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
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        > spanish-rice;237125 wrote:
        > at first i thought the title said beer truck drivers needed... In which case i accidently put my two weeks in at work.

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          inspector01;296386 wrote:
          Yea, i believe you got tuned in end of July/beginning of August correct kevin? That is about the 1-2 months of the year that we actually have E85. The rest of summer/spring/fall is E75-80, and from about October to April it is E70 which will be about 100 octane and have different fuel requirements as well. Do you have a wideband in the car? It would probably be best to get tuned in spring or fall, and that way you are middle of the road. You could make some changes yourself if you are comfortable doing so, or Ron could take care of it in about an hour I would guess.

          I have old fuel from october in my car right now because my s256 took a shit on 35lbs of boost.. and the PTE 6262 was on back order for a while... I do have a wideband set up in my car. I just feel that ever since going to E-85 my car has ran like shit other than full throttle.. Always dies ... I may have a stuck IAC senor from running meth injection a while back.. When it left the dyno it wouldnt idle... and was told the computer would teach its self to idle... Ive been waiting a long time now... hahah

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            aliengotpsi;296443 wrote:
            I have old fuel from october in my car right now because my s256 took a shit on 35lbs of boost.. and the PTE 6262 was on back order for a while... I do have a wideband set up in my car. I just feel that ever since going to E-85 my car has ran like shit other than full throttle.. Always dies ... I may have a stuck IAC senor from running meth injection a while back.. When it left the dyno it wouldnt idle... and was told the computer would teach its self to idle... Ive been waiting a long time now... hahah

            LOL. Just like the old days with your DSM.

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              My old EM1 tuned on E85 ran like shit in cooler weather.

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                Nate its worst than my dsm days..

                I hope speed density helps alot..

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                  out there
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                  worse than the dsm days? does that mean we can expect more power to make you run slower 1/4s?

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                    aliengotpsi;296443 wrote:
                    I have old fuel from october in my car right now because my s256 took a shit on 35lbs of boost.. and the PTE 6262 was on back order for a while... I do have a wideband set up in my car. I just feel that ever since going to E-85 my car has ran like shit other than full throttle.. Always dies ... I may have a stuck IAC senor from running meth injection a while back.. When it left the dyno it wouldnt idle... and was told the computer would teach its self to idle... Ive been waiting a long time now... hahah

                    If it is running worse than it used to, its possible that tank of gas is starting to go bad, E85 does not last a real long time, I wouldn't drive it hard on that old gas. How do your AFRs look at idle/cruise?? And how about under boost?? If you want, I could take a look at it and try to help you get it idling a bit better.

                    Side note, my car idles/runs beatifully on E85 as soon as the engine warms up, and that is with a 1/2 functioning IACV, although I never really drive it below probably 45* anymore.

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                    > bubba to Cobra Rob;279451 wrote:
                    > ^ and I thought I posted some dumb shit...

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                      Air Fuel didnt register it was that bad under highway driving.. Thats means it was way rich or way lean.. Doen anyone have the cable and software to reflash evos?

                      Kevin Smith
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                          aliengotpsi;296515 wrote:
                          Air Fuel didnt register it was that bad under highway driving.. Thats means it was way rich or way lean.. Doen anyone have the cable and software to reflash evos?

                          Sure you weren't driving Mitch's car?? haha jk.

                          At first I did it for fun, then I realized I made the investment and had to do it!

                          92 Talon AWD 6/4bolt [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                          95 240SX SE SR20DET [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                          1993.5 Supra Hardtop...Sold
                          Next project? 6cyl, 6spd?

                          > spanish-rice;237125 wrote:
                          > at first i thought the title said beer truck drivers needed... In which case i accidently put my two weeks in at work.

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                            aliengotpsi
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                            out there;296477 wrote:
                            worse than the dsm days? does that mean we can expect more power to make you run slower 1/4s?

                            What does that mean? expect to run slower with more power?

                            Kevin Smith
                            Straightlinedetailing.com
                            Why does everybody brush their teeth before going to the dentist but never wash their car before bring it to me??

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                              Something doesn't seem right, the stock ecu should compensate for most of that to at least get it decent. Get some new fuel in there, and make sure all of your sensors are working correctly. Call ron up and ask him what could be causing that, I doubt he messed with temperature compensations much from stock, and those should at least keep it reasonable. You may also want to try blocking off your intercooler and hood vent with cardboard to see if increasing coolant/intake temps helps at all. Does it run ok starting it inside when it is warm?

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                              > bubba to Cobra Rob;279451 wrote:
                              > ^ and I thought I posted some dumb shit...

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                                out there
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                                i was making a joke referencing the incident a few years ago with your broken rear differential (if i remember correctly). if it's the case that this new configuration (that makes more power than your old stuff) runs like poo, perhaps we could expect to see your car die on the drag strip (resulting in a slower 1/4 time).

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                                  dynotune
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                                  the tune should NOT have to be compensated for because of the blend changing. The difference in AFR is minimal. I would suspect you have something else going on...

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                                    dynotune;296628 wrote:
                                    the tune should NOT have to be compensated for because of the blend changing. The difference in AFR is minimal. I would suspect you have something else going on...

                                    DSM?

                                    At first I did it for fun, then I realized I made the investment and had to do it!

                                    92 Talon AWD 6/4bolt [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                                    95 240SX SE SR20DET [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                                    1993.5 Supra Hardtop...Sold
                                    Next project? 6cyl, 6spd?

                                    > spanish-rice;237125 wrote:
                                    > at first i thought the title said beer truck drivers needed... In which case i accidently put my two weeks in at work.

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                                      PSiedTSi;296529 wrote:
                                      Sure you weren't driving Mitch's car?? haha jk.

                                      lol at least my ar's show up

                                      Getcher green hat, we are goin fishin.

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                                        24valvenotak;296660 wrote:
                                        lol at least my ar's show up

                                        AR's?

                                        PVC Squad Member #1

                                        > bubba to Cobra Rob;279451 wrote:
                                        > ^ and I thought I posted some dumb shit...

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                                          PSiedTSi
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                                          inspector01;296667 wrote:
                                          AR's?

                                          Referring to his AFR.

                                          At first I did it for fun, then I realized I made the investment and had to do it!

                                          92 Talon AWD 6/4bolt [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                                          95 240SX SE SR20DET [EMAIL="[email protected]"][email protected][/EMAIL]
                                          1993.5 Supra Hardtop...Sold
                                          Next project? 6cyl, 6spd?

                                          > spanish-rice;237125 wrote:
                                          > at first i thought the title said beer truck drivers needed... In which case i accidently put my two weeks in at work.

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