Political Thread 2012
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Next question.... who will be the next to drop out on the Republican side? My vote is Newt.
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thrash;326294 wrote:
Just an FYI for you guys - if you want to try and get Ron Paul to be the GOP nominee, there are steps you can take. The ND state delegate elections are happening right at the beginning of march, and the state convention happens over the march->april weekend in bismark. That group of people will decide for real who North Dakota's GOP nominees will be. All of these straw polls and caucuses and other things are all irrelevant dickwaving. What matters is becoming a delegate and going to the nominating convention.A subset of the ND delegates will be elected in bismark as national delegates representing ND, and will then go to Florida in august for the national GOP convention. The Florida nominating convention is the only thing that decides who the GOP nominee will be. Every single thing that the media has reported on thus far is non-binding.
If you want to do what you can to get Ron Paul to be the nominee, become a delegate. You can PM me and I'll put you in touch with the right people.
Normally, there is clear frontrunner going into the national nominating convention, and so the national convention is almost a formality. But if there is no clear leader, you get what's called a "brokered convention" and there is a lot of horse trading that goes on to try and whittle the field down to the eventual GOP nominee. That means even that if Paul doesn't pull off the delegate coup he's been planning, he's going to have a significant impact at the national level.
The plain fact of the matter is, Mittens can't win without the support of the Paul voters.
So here's the possibilities, as i see them:
- Paul "steals" the GOP nomination because his ground game was better re: the delegate and convention processes. Paul stacks up better against Obama than any other GOP contender, especially with dems who are disillusioned with Obama and independants. Paul vs. Obama is a close race
- Mittens becomes the GOP nominee, and there is some concession or other hting that happens whereby the majority of Paul supporters vote for Mittens. Mittens wins.
- Mittens becomes the GOP nominee, but Paul supporters do NOT support that ticket. Obama wins.
Newt Gingrich is a national embarassment. He's doing this to get his name back in the limelight, get some speaking and book deals, and then get some more lobbying gigs.
Santorum will get crushed in a national election. He is the embodiment of everything the left hates about the right. He's got a horrible spending problem, he nears the top of corruption lists.
Listen to this Santorum video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gwwmm-cQxU
Mitt Romney signed an assault weapons ban and then talked about how great it was. He's actually worse than Obama on gun rights.
Check out Romney on guns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Ygw9CQ9po
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-UQG7k1uX0Gun Owners of America gives Romney a D. Same grade as Obama.
Any weapon that could be lethal to law enforcement. So... any firearm ever made?
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Yup, muskets and blunderbusses are out in 2013.
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Rexwagon;326378 wrote:
Santorum. ND has spokenEmbarrassing. I wouldn't doubt it if liberals actually voted for him to screw it up. Heard rumors about it happening in Michigan.
One thing I know, if the republican candidate wants to win, they would be smart to make Paul the VP....he IS the swing vote.
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PSiedTSi;326379 wrote:
Embarrassing. I wouldn't doubt it if liberals actually voted for him to screw it up. Heard rumors about it happening in Michigan.One thing I know, if the republican candidate wants to win, they would be smart to make Paul the VP....he IS the swing vote.
I agree with everything you just posted Tony. The ONLY way I vote Santorum is if Paul is the VP. Sadly I like Palin more than Santorum... she seems less crazy somehow.
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You'd have to be crazy to think you could win using the lines Santorum is using. He is too far right, too unorganized, too much of a lobbyist to even be able to stand against Obama. He'd get wrecked like a freight train through a daycare.
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You are probably right, but I don't think thats the "crazy" that Chuck was referring to.
GarageAlchemist;326382 wrote:
You'd have to be crazy to think you could win using the lines Santorum is using. He is too far right, too unorganized, too much of a lobbyist to even be able to stand against Obama. He'd get wrecked like a freight train through a daycare.DaveH
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DaveH;326381 wrote:
What specifically about Santorum makes him "crazy"?He actually wants to make sodomy and birth control illegal? And he calls himself a conservative? That's about as far reaching as the government can get...I mean come on...seriously? Need I go on?
Oh, did I mention what he said about Kennedy? JFK makes him vomit? He's a freakin' loose cannon. He flip-flopped on Title X in like 5 days...saying he only voted for it because of the attached items to it...when he specifically pointed out he supported it. And that brings up an annoyance I think we need to get rid of...attaching unrelated pieces of legislature to other bills to force it through.
On a side note, this might be the first time I have considered voting Republican/conservative in my life...and these candidates are not making it easy on me. I actually feel like Gingrich is the lesser of the 3 evils for some reason. Bottomline, none of them are strong candidates.
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He said that? Link?
PSiedTSi;326385 wrote:
He actually wants to make sodomy and birth control illegal? And he calls himself a conservative? That's about as far reaching as the government can get...I mean come on...seriously? Need I go on?DaveH
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DaveH;326386 wrote:
He said that? Link?Santorum pointed to the landmark case, Lawrence v. Texas, where the U.S. Supreme Court overturned sodomy laws that were used to imprison gays and lesbians.
“And I stood up from the very beginning back in 2003 when the Supreme Court was going create a constitutional right to sodomy and said this is wrong we can’t do this,” Santorum said. ”And so I stood up when no one else did and got hammered for it. I stood up and I continue to stand up.”
And then this gem:
Santorum added, “I do not believe that sexual orientation should be added to hate crimes, but let me be honest, I don’t believe in hate crimes, period.”
That was just a quick google search.
Separation of church and state anyone?
I believe that this country is a great country, because as you mentioned we are given rights by God. And that God is not any God — it’s the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and that God when he gave us rights, he also said, ‘here are the laws by which your society is to be governed’ … What we should do is orient our laws to make sure they’re in conformity with the natural law. In conformity with God’s law. And we don’t. And when we don’t, we end up in big trouble.
Our country was founded by people that were running from.........................................
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I should have added "please no cut n paste from the loonie left wing web sites".
I'd prefer a vid of it coming out of his mouth.Maybe I'm crazy too... I don't believe in hate crimes either. If you beat someone up because you don't like the color of their skin, or their ethinic background, their religious preference, etc, I could care less. You beat someone else up and you do the time for beating someone up. Your reasoning for beating someone up doesn't make a bit of difference, and shouldn't have any weigh in deciding the penalty IMO.
DaveH
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Santorum is everything the left hates about republicans. I don't despise all of the different moralistic stuff he talks about -- but hardly any of that stuff is the government's business.
Also, there is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyYKjoZV1RsSo basically, fuck him
Also, Santorum has a huge spending problem, and is rock hard about getting us into a 5th war in Iran.
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