Why doesn't anybody race?
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ya I was doing more reading on this topic, and it makes a lot of sence, I dont do much organized racing. It is tough matching up against somebody that is a good race. Two types of people want to race me, one a 16 sec type of car, or a 12 or 13 sec type of car. Where I know I can look at the car and tell you who is going to win the race. Somebody from sls asked me to race just last night, and now I kinda regreat not taking the race. Win or loose It really doesnt matter i guess. It is just something to do. I do a lot less racing I guess, cuz my car isn't a race car. It is not really a show car either... it is just a all around car... I have done a little bit of everything. One thing I dont like is to race a car that is just made for racing. It is just two different types of cars, even if I would win the race it is still just differnt. I have done performance upgrades but then I have done looks... and I have done stereo... and I have done ICE. And then started it all over and just gone further and further. I think we should do some more racing, safe racing that is in a better spot than I chose to race last night. People just take so much pride in going fast witch is good, but a lot of times I dont understand it. somebody will put 10 grand into a motor and that is all they have is a big pile of shit car with a 10 grand motor, and they will ask me to race, and i will take the race, and then i loose. and all they do is rub it in, ........ my car is faster than yours... your car sucks..... and I just think to my self... your car is still a pile of shit. Ya I may be a little slower, but if I was to build a race car and that is all I had was a car that goes fast, I would blow your fucking doors off, but i didn't I chose many different things becuase I like it all, I like the looks, i like the speed, I like the sound and everything inbetween. So I have to take shit becasue that is what I chose to do. People just need to respect each others choices and domains and not hate on everything and everybody. I do agree we do way too much sitting around I want to fucking drive.
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TRE wrote:
I'll tell you why people dont race, last night, I raced a corvet in my car and both of us got drag racing/racing tickets, We should have gotten way worse but the cop was kool about it. We didnt make a good choice of racing on I-94, that was a bad choice I will not go against that, but It gets you in tons of trouble if shit goes down wrong. The two of us were cutting across traffic and doing all sorts of other bad shit, it really could have been bad, just the speeding ticket alone if he would have gave us that was 280 dollars and 15 points off the licence. The race actually went pretty good for me, he was a head of me on the on ramp and then he took off so then I followed, I stayed right with him until I hit 4th gear then I started to pull on him and then I shifted in to 5th and we were side by side, then He decided to turn off onto I-29 there, and we were going about 118-120 mph, I think he saw the cop and decided to try to get away, well both of us got caught. It was a early 90's vet, she was quick. The cop was laughing at us, he said he had it to the floor and we just were pulling away from him. Then he saw brake lights and he said he caught us then, He followed us the whole time I guess off of the on ramp and everything, He came off of 25th right with us and followed the whole thing. I guess cops are human too, I would be pretty excited to watch something like that happen. Anyways the racing ticket is only 10 points off so it wasnt that bad, and it proved to me that not all cops are asses, he came up to the car and was looking at everything I have done, Had me open the doors and the trunk and shit he was just looking at everything, he seemed to be a nice guy.Yo, I was in the 92 prelude with the carbon fiber hood. We were right behind when you turned off on I94. Kinda wanted to follow, glad we didn't. No cop was around when you took the on ramp. We saw the corvette pulled over and I pointe and laughed. That thing had a jacked up exhaust.
Both preludes were trying to race anything but nobody wanted to go. Those ground assault guys have nice rides but not too much into racing. That dude with the integra type R refused to race us. Would have been close.
Nice ride, sorry about the 10 points that's alot!!!!! Get a radar dectector immediately!!!!!
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TRE wrote:
I'll tell you why people dont race, last night, I raced a corvet in my car and both of us got drag racing/racing tickets, We should have gotten way worse but the cop was kool about it. We didnt make a good choice of racing on I-94, that was a bad choice I will not go against that, but It gets you in tons of trouble if shit goes down wrong. The two of us were cutting across traffic and doing all sorts of other bad shit, it really could have been bad, just the speeding ticket alone if he would have gave us that was 280 dollars and 15 points off the licence....... (I shortened it up for the quote)Man... I dont know about weaving in and out of traffic for a "race." I guess thats the kind of thing we DONT like to encourage. Often, I-29 has empty lanes as you head farther out; the speed limit is higher, and really you only risk putting yourself in danger.... I mean i guess you may feel like you have a "race" car going in and out and such, but it'd just one shitty deal if you hit somebodys mom in a minivan.
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I bet if i came out in the gold hatch nobody woulde race that either. Everyone always says those are race cars. Well lets line up the gold hatch w/ something. It's got all the same factors you guys do (paint, wheels, stereo, etc..), its an all around driver. But its got the same setup under the hood as the other hatch so its not really gonna matter. Once i get the other head on it and a new water pump in im bringing it out and lets race....
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TRE wrote:
ya I was doing more reading on this topic, and it makes a lot of sence, I dont do much organized racing. It is tough matching up against somebody that is a good race. Two types of people want to race me, one a 16 sec type of car, or a 12 or 13 sec type of car. Where I know I can look at the car and tell you who is going to win the race. Somebody from sls asked me to race just last night, and now I kinda regreat not taking the race. Win or loose It really doesnt matter i guess. (shortened quote, becuase its huge)Damn wrote a book huh. The car that asked you to race last night was a 14 sec car... with just ghetto mods thrown on. But you'll go rice in and out of traffic with a corvette...
Here's a quote from you "People just need to respect each others choices and domains and not hate on everything and everybody."
I don't understand this coming from you becuase just above that you posted how a car that is fast but doesn't have heavy subs or "ice" or riced out bodkits is a POS. Sounds like some hatin' going on... Anyway, I also don't think you understand what is involved in building a "race" car, I'd be pretty impressed if you spent $10,000 and blow the doors of the POS you seem to be talking about.
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sorry to hear about that taylor, that sucks. But it is exactly why I don't race...well, much anyway.
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hehe...yeah, she was driving the wrx on friday and on her way home from work when an orange mazda 6 wagon w/ cf hood starts revving on her on the 45th street overpass stoplight. So she vacuum locks the brakes, revs the car to 4700 RPM and destroys him off the line. Then they both get into the turn lane so she intentionally keeps him close through the off ramp as he pulls onto the interstate he starts accelerating again so she again hits the gas and pulls away from him... I was so proud when I heard that story...lol
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Oh, and she has a better driving record than me, she can get away with that type stuff.
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tjamz wrote:
hehe...yeah, she was driving the wrx on friday and on her way home from work when an orange mazda 6 wagon w/ cf hood starts revving on her on the 45th street overpass stoplight. So she vacuum locks the brakes, revs the car to 4700 RPM and destroys him off the line. Then they both get into the turn lane so she intentionally keeps him close through the off ramp as he pulls onto the interstate he starts accelerating again so she again hits the gas and pulls away from him... I was so proud when I heard that story...lolHaha, thats awesome! Time to get a car for the wife...
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We're thinking about that actually. I want to get her something that very few people have, seeing how I can't afford a Ferrari, I'll have to settle on something else..heh. Thinking maybe a Starion, but she likes the look of the 240sx quite a bit, so maybe a 240sx w/ RB25 conversion, sylvia front end. Going to have to wait until I get my tax refund and xmas bonus to even think about her car.
The other option is to turbo her Rav4, maybe drop it a little and add a bomex body kit as well (she likes showy stuff). Pettit Racing makes a turbo kit for the Rav4, but I think I could piece one together for less than 5k. The pettit kit puts the HP numbers up to about 250 WHP (I think...it's been a while since I looked), so that could be quite the sleeper she'd have..lol.
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You honestly want to know the problem with the scene in this town?
People here are stupid. They don't know anything about cars, they don't know what parts to buy for their cars, and they don't really care about anything other than fucking neon. I see it every day at work where random people will come in and just really have no general knowledge of anything but they want stuff that "looks cool".
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DING! We have a winner. You are exactly right. However, isn't it partially the shops responsibility to try and open their eyes to new experiences. I mean, wouldn't it make sense for everyone involved in this game to say to the guy that's coming in for the neons "Hey, I haven't seen you around before, a bunch of us are going out to Sabin to watch the races this Friday, you should come along, there will be some pretty cool cars out there and I think you'd enjoy it.......look for my car its the _______ I will be racing as well.....bring along some friends as well, it's a good time"
That way you are opening several doors...you are getting the trust of the customer by having him hang out with the guys from the shop, you are opening him up to the world of dragracing..thereby possibly creating a ton more business for your shop. SLS and Type-R might be the exception to this rule, I think just about everyone who goes there is already into the scene, or else they wouldn't even know about them. But Tintmasters, Roadsounds, Team, Autowerx, and anyone else I'm forgetting should be proactively trying to nurture these people into coming out. Maybe you guys are doing that already, I don't know.
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tjamz wrote:
DING! We have a winner. You are exactly right. However, isn't it partially the shops responsibility to try and open their eyes to new experiences. I mean, wouldn't it make sense for everyone involved in this game to say to the guy that's coming in for the neons "Hey, I haven't seen you around before, a bunch of us are going out to Sabin to watch the races this Friday, you should come along, there will be some pretty cool cars out there and I think you'd enjoy it.......look for my car its the _______ I will be racing as well.....bring along some friends as well, it's a good time"That way you are opening several doors...you are getting the trust of the customer by having him hang out with the guys from the shop, you are opening him up to the world of dragracing..thereby possibly creating a ton more business for your shop. SLS and Type-R might be the exception to this rule, I think just about everyone who goes there is already into the scene, or else they wouldn't even know about them. But Tintmasters, Roadsounds, Team, Autowerx, and anyone else I'm forgetting should be proactively trying to nurture these people into coming out. Maybe you guys are doing that already, I don't know.
Yeah, we dont get that crowd of people into the shop because that is not the market we suite/support. We do not stock the items such as neon, altezza's, etc.. SO when someone walks in the door they have performance in mind, which is mainly what we deal in. If the local shops dont stock these "ricer" items and soldonly performancemore people would be into performance. But thats not the case in this town for other shops....
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PSiedTSi wrote:
V6...its lighter and plus you can take the money you would need to buy the V8 and put it in the V6 and TURBO IT!agreed. Turbocharge it as is for the time being. Keep the boost low and make somewhere close to 250ish RWHP and have a decently quick car. When you're ready for more, have a Stroked 4.2L built (4.3L) and slap that in there. Relatively easy swap I understand, will run off factory electronics (need to be dyno tuned of course), and crank the boost up.
(but I think we've been over this before...)
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personally, the reason i dont race is because i dont have the money to. sure its not too hard to find a safe place to do it, but if for some reason i get caught, i dont have the money to pay for a fine. that and i know if i pushed my car that hard something is bound to break... and i dont want to pay to have it fixed..... again.
if i had a little better cash flow, hell id be out there every night racing whoever wanted to.
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for me money is no object, I drive a black awd talon with gunmetal stock swirl rims. I traveled about 15 hours to look at it, I dicided to buy it and took it home. I had it for two weeks and melted a piston. My fault, my wiring on my mas was shitty so it fucked up my air fuel so bad it melted a piston. What im trying to get at is I've blown up my second car in less than a year and keep getting new ones, in this cars case fixing it. I dont make very much money. but i still try to keep the scene alive. When the new motor is dropped in I'll race harwood even. I dont care, its fun.
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