Presidential Election

[Guest]

Now matt, just because I choose a different political party doesn't mean that I'm a bad guy. I never once said Kerry was perfect, I just think he is a better choice than bush.

[Guest]

DaveH wrote:
Chuck, do you actually type all this stuff? Or just cut-n-paste it from somewhere? Same goes for the 47 reasons post you made... just curious if you have all this stuff in your head, or if you go look it up.
Some of it I do look up, but I know where I need to go to find it. I research BOTH sides on a daily basis. A lot was cut and paste, I will be the first to admit it. I can site my sources for anyone who wishes to challenge them though.

[Guest]

RX8ownage wrote:
notice the pattern dave, all of these honda owners love kerry. must be something they saw at the gay pride rally back when kerry was nominated in march.
Honda owners? I have a Subie, Jim a DSM, and Rob a Focus....I think we are the most vocal in our support.

[DaveH]

No need for the sources. I could rebuke most all the points you stated by sourcing different right-leaning sites. But as I said in a different post, I'm not into a cut-n-paste sorta dialog. Both sides can manipulate data to make themselves look good. I'd rather hear your idea's on topics, not the party line.

tjamz wrote:
Some of it I do look up, but I know where I need to go to find it. I research BOTH sides on a daily basis. A lot was cut and paste, I will be the first to admit it. I can site my sources for anyone who wishes to challenge them though.

[fallguy]

Flowcus wrote:
But kirk im a hippie dude... I got my long flowin locks blowin in the wind rollin in my V-dub bus.

Besides that shits funny... what fallguy said wasnt.... it was a personal attack on chuck. Im not personally attacking anyone here with that in my sig. And hell if bush ever seen that he probably wouldnt get it and think I was seriously supporting Abstinance.

I thought it was pretty funny. Half of the commments on this whole board is a bunch of crap talk that is not seriously intended to hurt the other person. Chuck knows me and knows that I think he is a cool guy. I think your the one getting your flowcus panties in a bunch. Vote for Kerry...I really don't care, but we do have troops in harms way, and by bashing the prez like ya do you really are bashing the troops as well as disrespecting the office.

[NickB]

Flowcus wrote:
Oh and in a perfect world Communism would work... so look out kirk the commies are comin for ya!
Its true it would work...kirk you have no idea what you are talking about

Chuck is a very informed voter and can actually back his shit up...
I voted Kerry on this

[fallguy]

98exaccord wrote:
Its true it would work...kirk you have no idea what you are talking about

Chuck is a very informed voter and can actually back his shit up...
I voted Kerry on this

It's true that Chuck is more informed than most voters, but alot of what he said could be refuted by referencing right-leaning sites like Daveh said. It's called SPIN, SPIN, SPIN.

[stephen bradley]

I'm voting for BUSH (all forms of)

[STiSchucky]

tjamz wrote:
Honda owners? I have a Subie, Jim a DSM, and Rob a Focus....I think we are the most vocal in our support.
well, i knew that. nick, tin and jims becoming a honda fan boy in front of our eyes.

[integra_gsr98]

If Kerry is elected, will we get discounts on Heinz ketchup as a tax rebate?

[Guest]

fallguy wrote:
It's true that Chuck is more informed than most voters, but alot of what he said could be refuted by referencing right-leaning sites like Daveh said. It's called SPIN, SPIN, SPIN.
Except the voting record stuff....kinda hard to dispute some of that vote-smart.org keeps track of all candidates on this matter. I posted a link at the bottom of the 47 reasons to vote kerry portion of this post.

[Guest]

integra_gsr98 wrote:
If Kerry is elected, will we get discounts on Heinz ketchup as a tax rebate?
I'm hoping for Heinz 57 Sauce personally...yum

[Guest]

You know what bugs me the most about this thread? The fact that there are 197 people on this site and only 31 have shown any interest in taking the poll. I know some are too young to vote but for those that are old enough geez, go and vote! I don't care who you vote for, just vote. I know that by voting for Kerry in ND I am essentially wasting my vote as he has no real chance of winning this state, but if everyone that has that attitude isn't voting for that reason, the results might in fact change. At least voting gives me the right to complain about whats going on, by not voting you are essentially saying "I don't care, do what you want w/ me and this country, it won't affect me anyway"....ok...I am rambling on and on here. I just hope more of us make it out to vote on November 2nd than responded to my poll.

[STiSchucky]

well said, to bad kerry wont win

[Guest]

that's fine, I can live with it IF he doesn't, but can you live with it if he does?

Personally I'd love to see Kerry win the electoral and not the popular just to see if congress decides to get rid of the electoral college. Well, I take that back, I'd LIKE to see Kerry win every state, but I know that's not gonna happen. It should be a good tight election, right down to the last state.

[STiSchucky]

I dont get it. You know back earlier during the democatic primaries when they eliminated democrat hopefull after hopefull...how the hell do they all just settle down and decide to support kerry if they were previously pulling for say edwards dean etc. it just seems they all just forgot all about them bashing eachother to become the democratic candidate and are all of sudden like buddy buddy.

[Guest]

it happens on both sides of the aisle, during the republican convention of 2000 Bush ripped McCain's war record to no end as well. Now McCain is stumping for the guy... Go figure. The thing that got Kerry over in a lot of Dems minds was that he primarily focused his attack on the President and not his running mates. I know he took some shots at a few of them as well, but that is kinda the nature of the beast.

[DaveH]

I disagree with the sentiment on everyone getting out to vote. If people don't spend the time to learn the issues and the candidates positions then I'd rather they just stay home. Otherwise they will just be voting based on which candidate looks better, soundbites, etc.

I agree that the electoral college needs to go. There was a time when it was needed/useful, but that time is gone.

[Guest]

DaveH wrote:
I disagree with the sentiment on everyone getting out to vote. If people don't spend the time to learn the issues and the candidates positions then I'd rather they just stay home. Otherwise they will just be voting based on which candidate looks better, soundbites, etc.

I agree that the electoral college needs to go. There was a time when it was needed/useful, but that time is gone.

and yet on a recent survey, over 35% of the general public polled didn't even know each canidates policy on even 2/10 topics ranging from health care, social security, economy, war, etc. People are not educated, people are not well in form of the views, and therefore the general public should not be able to decide as a mass. This is not a democracy, this is a republic. The whole foundation was not for people to decide on a general popular vote or a mass decision, but to merely have representation. Which even in electoral form, they have that. Combined with the House/Senate rules of engagement, the represenation implementation is successfull.

BTW: Did you guys check out the new voting system in florida?

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=floridavoting.wmv

The electoral system won't go away, trust me on this. Too much time and money invested in it, if we take that away many other forms of consitutional rights may be under fire.

[DaveH]

Yes, we are a republic which means the popular vote elects representatives, and the representatives decide how to vote for actual legislature, bills, etc (since the people can't be on top of all the legislation, rules, decisions). But I believe popular vote should elect ALL officials (congressmen, governors, representatives, and President).