Performance Enthusiest Lack In ND
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I've noticed this year that local people just aren't doing any big projects or attending any of the track events. It seems the scene in Fargo has pretty much solely died off other then the ricer crowd who is still interested in the flashy body kits, neon lights and big wings. So what is it this year that has people not interested in the performance capabilities of their car?? Are people lacking $$? Are they just not interested? Or do they just not care?
From the looks of it the track is about ready to shut down w/ the weal 50 car attendances lately and even worse on regular bracket weekends. Not many locally are doing any custom turbo builds, motor builds, etc.. Everytime we head out to the track i dont see any cars out there putting up any times, everytime we bring the dyno to town i dont see any people putting down any #'s, why is this? I've been pretty across the whole midwest this summer and the markets are going strong everywhere it seems except ND. What do we need to do to spark some interest in people attending track events and get some people to start doing some performance based builds rather then body kits, neon lights, and big ugly chrome wheels? We are sending turbo kits nation wide but really none locally and we'd like to change this and see something start to change locally and see some people start to show up again @ the street legal events. We got 3 weeks before the next event so lets get something going!
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no moneies, going to school, keep changing projects
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Yeah, come on guys! Yesterday when we were in Minneapolis, it was more apparent than ever. I realize Minneapolis is a bigger city but still, Fargo has a shitty scene. Ever since I've been it, I've seen it go down instead of up. Notice how we never see the big domestic guys out anymore either? They've lost respect for a lot of us. Even Sioux Falls has a way better scene than us. I don't know if you guys have ever gone racing with the "big boys" in town when you were younger, but I really miss it, even though I had nothing to race. It was my motivation to have a fast car. Also, like Nick said, the track is about to close, maybe forever. We are SO lucky to have a track that is 6 miles from us. Even the guys in the Cities have to drive an hour or so to Rock Falls.
Bottomline, we need more quick cars. It will offset the ricer mentalities, and give them something to shoot for, instead of big wings etc. We also need to find a place to meet up. I remember Northwest Auto Body on Main was for the domestics and McDonalds was for the Imports. If I really need to go around town and talk to places that will allow us to have a meeting spot, I will.
I know a lot of what I said was redudant from Nick, but we talked about it last night on the way back from Minneapolis and we both felt strongly about it so I figured I'd say something too.
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I completely agree with you Nick. There is pretty much shitty support, even from people on this board. The way I see it, 90% of the people who had fast cars last year and the year before haven't been to the track hardly at all this year. Who on this board with a 13 second or faster car from last year is even racing anymore? It's fucking gay as shit!
I can't think of anything I'd rather be doing than racing my slow ass car and I'm not going to miss another track day this year for any reason. Even if I have to race on foot.
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For me it is a matter of priorities. I know approx how fast my car will run at any given event (if things don't break), I am decently satisfied with my numbers, I'd like to be faster, but I'm happy not being broken. While I do enjoy drag racing, I'd much rather watch (or participate if my car was so equipped) in an auto-x event, road course or rallycross.
My car was built to be fun to drive and occassionally race. I'm sure I will mod it more over the years, but if I never go faster than 13.0 I don't care. If I never break 350whp thats fine. If I never break any parts I'm ecstatic. To me there is more to life (and owning a performance car) than going fast. That doesn't bode well for performance shops however. As much as I like watching/participating in drag races, I doubt I'd ever lose any sleep over not having a track nearby. Yes it would suck to have to drive further, but as often as I race, distance is a non-issue.
Speaking of bracket racing, I actually prefer that over heads up racing (if noone sandbags). I like the thrill of chasing down a slower car or the rush of watching a faster car creeping up on me as I go. Then there is the aspect of the potential to get some money back from bracket racing by winning your class or a jackpot race. With heads up test & tunes, the only potentially good thing that can happen is you don't break and you go a little faster each time.
I don't know if the rest of the racing community feels the same way I do (I'm sure most don't) but I thought I'd share my reasoning for not attending track days.
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IDk im sure this will sound dumb but.... Is it just me or is it the older people keeping to themselves and the younger teenagers keeping to themselves. I think if things got mixed up and the older people were more excepting of the younger generation coming in things would be a lot better. We are the ones that are going to keep the scene going..... Let me know if im wrong because i know i am kind of intimidated to just go up and start talking to the older guys. I know it might sounds stupid let me know!
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The big thing for me right now is $$$$$$$. I have all the will and want to build up a car but lack of funds. I will however be doing something in the near future as my youngest kid has a real "thirst" for a performance car so-to-speak.
But I truly believe that there is a scene out there but it's asleep and needs a good kick in the ass.
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I've watched it over the years slowly get worse and worse, but this year its just dead. Why its dying off so bad is what we're trying to figure out and what we need to do to change it. I think they said the last street legal car count was only 58. Last time i checked prior years it was a consistant 125+ cars w/ like 300 spectators.
We're heading down to Sioux Falls tonight to run their street legal event and shootout tomorrow, who else is going? Let me guess, nobody!!
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96Talon wrote:
IDk im sure this will sound dumb but.... Is it just me or is it the older people keeping to themselves and the younger teenagers keeping to themselves. I think if things got mixed up and the older people were more excepting of the younger generation coming in things would be a lot better. We are the ones that are going to keep the scene going..... Let me know if im wrong because i know i am kind of intimidated to just go up and start talking to the older guys. I know it might sounds stupid let me know!We aren't going to bite if you come and talk to us! Just make sure you listen to what most of us have to say. Don't have an "I know everything attitude" when you talk to us because we will just pass you off. The reason the "older" guys in the scene keep to themselves is because of the ricers. I can personally tell you I don't like to go out as much anymore because nothing ever happens except for ricers being stupid. I know when I was part of the "younger" crowd, I asked questions and listened to the answers from the "older" crowd. I can honestly trace my interest back to about 3 people. Sometimes I just tagged a long, and maybe I wasn't welcome but I learned a lot and sparked my interest in the right way.
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BumpinJCC wrote:
with paying for college, school books, rent, gas, insurance, food, ect. I hardly have enough money to buy things for my car anymore. I want that to change though...If you offered a cheap turbo kit id be REALLY interested:icon_bounce:
I go to school. I have bills. You just work hard for your parts. It's SO worth it.
We do have a cheap turbo kit, it's a D-series Mini-log kit for $650. C'mon thats not even expensive!
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96Talon: I'm pretty sure if you came up and talked to the "old timers" you would find that they are very approachable. Especially guys like Matt & Dave. Dave has offered more advice to me than any other person in this area and (if he's not busy) always seems to be willing to take a ride in my car with me to give me pointers on what I can do better to tune my vehicle or get a better run in. IOW if we seem intimidating, it is not intended that way. Come up, say hi, tell us who you are, what you drive, etc... Think of it this way, its way easier for us to break the ice talking with DaveH than it is for him to do the same with us. Why? Because everyone knows who he is, what he drives, etc.... What does he know about you? Nothing until you introduce yourselves.
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im working on making my car as quick as it can be with what i can afford. that usually involves used parts and making due with what I can get. a grand or two here and there for turbo kits and custom installs is hard to come by for alot of people, ya know
alot of the time, when i go hang out with some ppls with imports around here and even from this forum, I feel out of place because alot of them are younger kids with flashy cars and big egos when im an older guy (25 haha) and my car looks pretty much stock, when in reality, I've done quite alot of work on it since I got it and it's quite a bit quicker than alot of thier hondas and such. But since I don't have any racing seats or gauge pods or fancy air fresheners I guess I don't count. Just seems to me that is the attitude around here as of late. -
Ya that makes a lot of sence! I know i have tried to get know some people at the T-masters in Grand Forks. Idk you get some that are kool and will help with ya anything you need but you still have those that are going to be ass holes... I think its those guys who are the one that detur us from trying to meet new people... But ya i agree with you 100%..
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86fc3s wrote:
im working on making my car as quick as it can be with what i can afford. that usually involves used parts and making due with what I can get. a grand or two here and there for turbo kits and custom installs is hard to come by for alot of people, ya know alot of the time, when i go hang out with some ppls with imports around here and even from this forum, I feel out of place because alot of them are younger kids with flashy cars and big egos when im an older guy (25 haha) and my car looks pretty much stock, when in reality, I've done quite alot of work on it since I got it and it's quite a bit quicker than alot of thier hondas and such. But since I don't have any racing seats or gauge pods or fancy air fresheners I guess I don't count. Just seems to me that is the attitude around here as of late.Yup, thats part of the problem. Body kits and ricer parts rule now. Partly because the people with money into their motor don't show up because they got fed up with the ricers. So when one does show up that dones't know everyone or no one knows them, then they get kinda played off. When in reality, power rules the streets, not that gay ebay body kit or ricer interior. What's cool in this town is just so off base. I think one night all of the "older" supporters of the scene need to go out and school everyone. Maybe if they see us with performance parts, they will get an interest. Then again maybe not. I think they think we are too cocky for them, but in reality, it's their attitude that makes us maybe look that way. Of course we aren't going to take you seriously when you rice around like a lot of people do.
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86fc3s wrote:
im working on making my car as quick as it can be with what i can afford. that usually involves used parts and making due with what I can get. a grand or two here and there for turbo kits and custom installs is hard to come by for alot of people, ya know alot of the time, when i go hang out with some ppls with imports around here and even from this forum, I feel out of place because alot of them are younger kids with flashy cars and big egos when im an older guy (25 haha) and my car looks pretty much stock, when in reality, I've done quite alot of work on it since I got it and it's quite a bit quicker than alot of thier hondas and such. But since I don't have any racing seats or gauge pods or fancy air fresheners I guess I don't count. Just seems to me that is the attitude around here as of late.
Agreed... Its just some of the people not all of them! Its like they look down on you because your car isnt as "good" as theres! -
I'm going out on a ledge here, but I think a LOT of the reason the scene is dying is because of the shit talking that goes on between <u>ALL</u> of the shops in town. People are hesitant to buy from Tintmasters if they have friends at SLS or vice-versa. I know that Shane & Nick hate each other (no secret) but that doesn't mean that both are capable shop owners. Is one better at some things than the other? ABSOLUTELY! But IMO the better shop (whichever it may be) shouldn't belittle the other because of it, they should just work on making themselves better. How about a joint event between the two shops? Something that both promote equally. That would speak volumes to the level of commitment that each shop has to the community. Here is how I'd envision it:
2 day event:
Day 1:
Outdoor Car Show (Show & Shine) presented by Tintmasters
Dyno Tuning sponsored by SLS
Auto-X Sponsored by TintmastersDay 2
Show & Shine continues (TM)
Burnout Contest by SLS
Dragrace Test & Tune TM
Quick 8 Bracket Showdown by TM & SLS -
tjamz wrote:
I'm going out on a ledge here, but I think a LOT of the reason the scene is dying is because of the shit talking that goes on between <u>ALL</u> of the shops in town. People are hesitant to buy from Tintmasters if they have friends at SLS or vice-versa. I know that Shane & Nick hate each other (no secret) but that doesn't mean that both are capable shop owners. Is one better at some things than the other? ABSOLUTELY! But IMO the better shop (whichever it may be) shouldn't belittle the other because of it, they should just work on making themselves better. How about a joint event between the two shops? Something that both promote equally. That would speak volumes to the level of commitment that each shop has to the community. Here is how I'd envision it:2 day event:
Day 1:
Outdoor Car Show (Show & Shine) presented by Tintmasters
Dyno Tuning sponsored by SLS
Auto-X Sponsored by TintmastersDay 2
Show & Shine continues (TM)
Burnout Contest by SLS
Dragrace Test & Tune TM
Quick 8 Bracket Showdown by TM & SLS
Good thinking Chuck.
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