So....."Nigger" = "Fighting Sioux"?????
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2wheeler;196563 wrote:
Lemme know if I'm understanding what these guys are trying to get across. For anyone who may not have caught the newscasts, one of the "Indians" who is against the Fighting Sioux nickname, likened the term "nigger" to "Fighting Sioux".......and how black people have made the term "nigger" unacceptable, that's how Indians feel about UND using the "Sioux" nickname.WTF??? Really?????
Anyone on this forum with some real Indian heritage wanna voice an opinion about this?
Christ....if Francis(or any other black people)is/are reading this, what's your opinion on "nigger" being on par with "Fighting Sioux"? If I were black, I'd beat those guys with their own peace pipes. Stupid fuckers.
I didn't go to UND, and I could really care how they do in any sports, but, I would think the Indian population would enjoy the recognition and strength UND has received/shown in their programs. When I hear of the Fighting Sioux winning a nat'l championship, the last thing on my mind is how they are mocking the tribe. Or, I guess we could just always think of Indians using the **typical stereotype......drunk, unemployed and useless. **
Oh, and if these guys really want me to take them seriously, something has to be done with their last names. So.........Ron His Horse Is Thunder, Jesse Taken Alive & Avis Little Eagle (real names, I couldn't make this shit up if I tried) shut the fuck up.......please (see...I'm being nice about it.)
LOL OMG THIS IS FUNNY!
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i asked some younger native americans if they were offended by it and they said they could care less. it seems like this is just the older generations of native americans who are getting butt hurt about the sioux name.
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2wheeler;196584 wrote:
K, lets you and me go walk around the mall together. I'll call every Indian a "sioux", you call every black person a "nigger". "It's really no different." Your EMT skills may come in really handy when we're trying to put your liver back in.you know what, it's what's deemed acceptable at that point in history. Take this back 70, 80 years and using the term Nigger will get you no reaction.....
The truth is, African American's view the term 'Nigger' as derogatory.. this group of Native Americans view the term 'Sioux' derogatory...
60 years ago the term 'Nigger' was more 'accepted', today 'Sioux' is more accepted.. 5 years, 10 years.. who knows.
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they shouldnt liken "fighting sioux" to "nigger". how many natives have you heard call another "fighting sioux".
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dubbsy;196593 wrote:
you know what, it's what's deemed acceptable at that point in history.
Exactly, I agree 100%.Right now, these people are being dbags. They are getting the attention that they are starving for. They really need to do something better with their time/energy.
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if they were smart, they would quiet whining and get hooked up with some royalities from the use of the name.
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LOL at this thread. My agreement with everyone else. If they want special treatment like they say, quit taking my fuckin money and ill give your god damn name back.
Plus, i had heard the Ralph put it in the contract that if they change the name they cant use the arena or something like that? not sure just hearsay. BUT, if thats the case, they pay up the fuckin millions of dollars he spent on that place so the school can buy it back.
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i read that in the paper when it was built, if the name is changed the place gets demo'd
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The Sioux call themselves by that name all the time. Go to Fort Totten, ND. Its on a Sioux Reservation, they have places called Sioux Manufacturing that is owned by the tribe. If they want things to change, I suggest they change it themselves first.
This is coming from a guy who is 25% Native American (though raised 100% German)
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Well here is my opinion and I live in Grand Forks.... UND offers the Native Americans that want to attend their college many benefits. They go to school for free basically. They get scholarships if they do good in there first year of school. They get so many things but they are still not happy. You are never going to make everyone happy in todays society.
I also do believe it is written in Ralph Engelstads will that if they do change the name that it will be boarded up and not used my the University. Thats why if you go in there and look around you will notice that it either says Fighting Sioux, Sioux, or there is emblem whereever you look in that place. I think thats the smartest he could of done is put logos everywhere. It would cost the University millions and millions of dollars to change all the logos and everything. I believe if they get rid of the name get rid of all the things that the natives get. Why should we have to pay to make someone happy?? -
The complaint african americans have is that no matter what name "white people" call them, it's a name that was given to them, not one they chose for themselves. Thus the popularity of "african american".
The Souix complaint doesn't appear to be any different.
The claim that "souix" and "nigger" are the same is probably overblown, as there aren't the large negative cultural connotations with "Souix". For sports teams with names like "Redskins" I think there's a better case for it being derogatory.
What's also problematic is the charicatures of Indians commonly used in sports teams logos. Imagine someone using a blackface or 70s style drawing of a black man (enlarged lips, ultra wide nose, afro, etc) as a sports mascot.
I do think we need to do something about the reservation issue. Many reservations are bastions of povery, drunkenness, etc. I don't remember reading anywhere that people have a right to a certain way of life in perpetuity, all tax-payer subsidized. The Amish for instance do not receive federal subsidization as far as I know.
fwiw, I'm a couple generations removed from full-blooded Winnebago (look it up. They're in Nebraska) Indian, but I self-identify as a caucasian. None of this stuff bothers me, but then not much does. That said, I can see where they're coming from to a degree, which I've tried to outline above.
As an aside, people that look at me think I'm mexican, pacific islander, or any other things, but I'm basically a mutt. You won't see many native americans with the amount of back hair I have.
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thrash;196632 wrote:
As an aside, people that look at me think I'm mexican, pacific islander, or any other things, but I'm basically a mutt. You won't see many native americans with the amount of back hair I have.I haven't laughed that hard in a week. oh my god. that was fucking hilarious.
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I'm 2/3 ingin and I could give 2 shits about all this crap. I'm just a mix breed timbernigger. I've got more important things to worry about than what society chooses to label me as. To me they are just words used to label someone. And it's just that... words. It's just people using a name as an excuse to be mad and claiming to be victimized by society. * "Oh... poor me.... Look at me....I'm so abused by society....I am soo hurt.. I cant function now.... What am I to do?"*Attention whores!!!!!
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Nice thread Ethan, I'm suprised you actually posted again after the original post. :drunken_smilie: ha haa....
Well, I think everyone else has pretty much summed it up. It's freakin rediculous that some old chief has nothing better to do that complain about a college mascot. It's a freaking college mascot for shit sakes. Next thing you know, some athiest is going to complain about the Devils Lake Satans mascot. Oh, nevermind... thats already gone too.
If someone is offended by something, who cares. STFU I say.
DaveH
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I didn't read all the final responses, but i agree that we need to cancel the programs they get. At UND, they basically go as far as they want in school for free. In the med school (possibly elsewhere, but i know this for a fact) indians have there own lounge with tons of nice shit in it and special tutors to help them with everything, and you are not allowed in unless you are indian. Also, all the stuff about the ralph getting demo'd if they changed the name is RUMOR. The ralph announced last week that they are still waiting to decide whether they will allow UND to play there anymore if they change the name. The ppl that run it now have the right to decide if they want to allow them to continue to use it. They would have to get rid of most of the sioux logos in there though, which is alot. They could keep all the championship banners, pictures, and all of that tho.
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