nascar>f1? wtf
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Please dear god no more circles.... they just keep turning left ( I have nothing against the direction but c'mon) Road courses good, super-speedways are bad. Circles and Circles ..... So dizzy...
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Gordon did drive Montoya's car for a few laps, and did fairly well ( 4 secs or so off JPM's pace). Unfortunetly 4 secs is an eternity, ask team Minerdy.
NASCAR= evolutionary, F1=revolutionary
I love F1 even if it isnt a good race (seldom), because there is always the soap opra stories and good gossip.
nascar is a marketing machine, f1 should learn from them about that!
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Turbo5Oh wrote:
i myself would preffer to watch somebody i can relate to, not a robot bred for racing glorified go kartsand i think thats the main reason for the popularity of nascar. americans love to root for the under dog, home town kid, or somebody else that has felt the hardships of a normal person
i think this is the major flaw of nascar, and the president (suspend judgement, please), it is also the same kind of idea at the heart of harrison bergeron and many other dis-utopian novels. similarly, it's part of the problem with america (ok, one of them), the idea that everyone is equal: anyone can drive in nascar because it's not difficult, anyone can have a nascar car and drive it... anyone can talk man to man with the president. can you see where i'm going with this?
americans seem to think that anyone can be the best, what they don't realize is that some of us come from better raw material, period. examples? cite professional basketball. where do the best players come from? yep, african descent. i'm sure you can all see where this is going.
don't misconstrue, i'm not some sort of racist, but i also don't think we're all EQUAL. to a point we are equal, about as equal as a motor-scooter and a lingenfelter-modified escalade. -
McAdam wrote:
F1 drivers have to be in some sort of decent physical shape to withsand the physical rigors of racing in machines that produce in excess of 4g's.How many NASCAR drivers have a beer gut? a few.
What do you think takes more skill? piloting an F1 car or a NASCAR? I think it would be funny as hell to put a NASCAR driver in an F1 car. in about the 1st turn of a race, the team owner would be minus 14 million and have a dead driver on his hands.
I just hate the press NASCAR receives. Id much rather watch touring car championships or even some of the upper eschelons of SCCA racing than NASCAR. Its just not that exciting, especially when every other lap is yellow flagged and they have to restart teh damn race 5 times.
NASCAR has NOT been about "stock" cars for a VERY long time. Hell, even in the 1950's where the racing series has its roots, the cars only LOOKED stock. Most of them used heavy duty 8 bolt truck axels and huge, very non stock engines.
the open wheelers are where its at..... when is the last time you saw a NASCAR that was 6 wheel drive? or how about a turbine engine car? there is a LOT of history in open wheel racing, what has NASCAR brought us in the way of technological innovations? they are still running CARBS for godssake!
Im just "not a fan" I guess.
McAdam
actually they did
http://www.nascar.com/2003/news/headlines/wc/06/12/jgordon_montoya/Gordon laid down a lap just 1.3 seconds slower than Montoya's best of the day in the same car.
lol "Just"
i will say that i was surprised that he did that well, but i've never said that he is a shitty driver, but hell put Kyle Petty in there, he'd just look dumb!!!
Maybe they don't understand that 1.3 seconds was the difference between 1st and 10th in qualifying
Like i said definately not ripping on gordon, but, well yeah, it's still nascar.
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sorry bradley just saw that you posted that, didn't mean to piss in your cheerios
On the other hand that whole racial thing you just were talking about, out there
look at it this way. I am a short (5'10'), Fat (285), Peurtorican (i can call my Grandma for you), and i can play hockey better than about 65% to 70% of white boys out there.
Now tell me that i'm supposed to be on skates, honestly, tell me that i should be on the ice without laughing, (i know you guys are laughing)so yeah, that's all i have to say about that.
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I couldnt remember the times exactly, but I like Gordon, and besides his first lap "off" he did pretty good. He was all smiles after the drive, and could not believe the braking power of an F1 car.
I think it cool that the teams I guess, dont paint the very leading edge of the cars, so if they get rock chips it doesnt effect the balance, or performance of the car.
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what can i say, phats? you seem to be an exception to the generalization. just like how it's not supposed to be possible to cook chicken in a microwave oven and eat it (being as it usually comes out rubbery); whereas, that is one of my favorite ways to cook because it takes less time and i can prepare very tender chicken that way.
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Question: How do you loose a NASCAR driver following you?
Answer: Make a RIGHT HAND TURN.
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out there wrote:
what can i say, phats? you seem to be an exception to the generalization. just like how it's not supposed to be possible to cook chicken in a microwave oven and eat it (being as it usually comes out rubbery); whereas, that is one of my favorite ways to cook because it takes less time and i can prepare very tender chicken that way.
there are almost always exceptions to everythinglol you had to relate this too food, now your just making fun of me.
No i agree with what you saying, it's just that as long as you realize there is a exception to the rule.
Like jeff gordon, He's an exception to the rule for nascar drivers, well at least i think he is.
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to me, nascar>f1 because nascar's dont have any aids as f1 cars do (i.e. traction control) because its not allowed...i realize that f1 drivers go through huge amounts of g-force and higher speeds, but from a driving aspect, i think it'd be harder to drive a car with 800hp and no traction control rather than a 900hp car with traction control...also, when you say f1 car's shift, arent they push button or somthing (i could be wrong on that one)...my .02
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torbs wrote:
to me, nascar>f1 because nascar's dont have any aids as f1 cars do (i.e. traction control) because its not allowed...i realize that f1 drivers go through huge amounts of g-force and higher speeds, but from a driving aspect, i think it'd be harder to drive a car with 800hp and no traction control rather than a 900hp car with traction control...also, when you say f1 car's shift, arent they push button or somthing (i could be wrong on that one)...my .02paddle shifters
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torbs wrote:
to me, nascar>f1 because nascar's dont have any aids as f1 cars do (i.e. traction control) because its not allowed...i realize that f1 drivers go through huge amounts of g-force and higher speeds, but from a driving aspect, i think it'd be harder to drive a car with 800hp and no traction control rather than a 900hp car with traction control...also, when you say f1 car's shift, arent they push button or somthing (i could be wrong on that one)...my .02It might sound easy, go rent F1 2002 from easports and you'll see.
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not trying to sound like an ass here, but it seems like traction control would be more necessary on cars that have to turn BOTH directions than it would be for cars that turn ONE direction....you can probably set the suspension up easy enough for NASCAR to safely run w/o traction control.
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tjamz wrote:
not trying to sound like an ass here, but it seems like traction control would be more necessary on cars that have to turn BOTH directions than it would be for cars that turn ONE direction....you can probably set the suspension up easy enough for NASCAR to safely run w/o traction control.if you've ever heard the term used in a nascar race called "like stepping on eggshells" they are talking about how the drivers have to ease onto the throttle, otherwise they'll end up in the wall...traction control would help nascar drivers a great deal...they do have traction control, its called skill with the accelerator and knowing how far you can push it before it breaks loose...one direction or not, you cant have traction 100% of the time....another thing is that nascar's get "loose" all the time, meaning the rear end wants to slip out...traction control would help that problem emmensly, but its outlawed in nascar, otherwise im sure all the cars would have it.
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T ! N wrote:
It might sound easy, go rent F1 2002 from easports and you'll see.never said it was easy...im just comparing the two different styles
id also like to add that yes, f1 cars are faster and have more technology, but with the technology comes driving aids which take away from the "skill" part of racing...its almost like cheeting :eek:
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yes, but nascar drivers get to change tires, F1 does not (ok...they can change ONE tire per race...not one set, one tire.) Trust me traction control doesn't prevent spinouts in F1, they get loose plenty often as well.
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tjamz wrote:
yes, but nascar drivers get to change tires, F1 does not (ok...they can change ONE tire per race...not one set, one tire.) Trust me traction control doesn't prevent spinouts in F1, they get loose plenty often as well.f1 tires actually last the whole race, nascar's HAVE to change tires or they'll blow em all the time...unless goodyear comes up with some pimp shit tires for them...
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torbs wrote:
f1 tires actually last the whole race, nascar's HAVE to change tires or they'll blow em all the time...unless goodyear comes up with some pimp shit tires for them...maybe if they had more driver skill they could use the same tires the whole race :p:eek::p:eek::p
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tjamz wrote:
maybe if they had more driver skill they could use the same tires the whole race :p:eek::p:eek::pwow...thats just like saying "your wrx can get the same distance in 5 gallons as my honda insite can...thats only if you have enough driver skill though"
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no, its like saying my wrx tires can last as long as a honda insights can if I am a good enough driver.
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