Opinions needed. If you have one, tell me.
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torbs wrote:
what about goin blown then?same problem...
"Plus, the cheapest s/c set up imagineable would still be more expensive than a H/C set up."
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Start pimpin' out every girl you know and buy an intercooled ATI procharger. If I had a V8, this I would have to have.
http://procharger.com/gallery/showtemp.php?market=2&idx=1223
His power level isn't "amazing" but the car is hardley touched besides the charger. Sounds like from the gallery info that his tuning might not be optimal either.
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Sweet-WRX-Lovin wrote:
Start pimpin' out every girl you know and buy an intercooled ATI procharger. If I had a V8, this I would have to have.
The only ATI that would work on my car would yeild about the same amount of HP (without a rebuild). The car actually did have an ATI on it before I bought it, but I got the price knocked off with hi selling it to someone else. I wish I could have kept it, but I couldn't afford that much at the time, I was 16, and it was plenty of car at the time.Thats the supercharger that was on my car. I beleive the kit costs $3600
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Well, you are asking the wrong person here. Butt, and yes I said butt, my old man is a machinest and race car driver for over 30 years, I personally would build a cheap as possible motor running super high compresion (cheaper over the long run vs. a supercharger) but running race gas. If you aren't willing to make this sacrifice I have no hope for you. And BS on the supercharger rebuilding at 20K miles. If you have an ass monkey tunning your car maybe. I have no idea what I'm doing compared to my old man and I could get WAY more mileage out of that.
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Heads/Cam all the way!!! If you got the jack do like a 393 lower half and some trick flow heads or if you don't, just go with the ported heads/ cam. They make great power, and coupled with the right gears, the extra RPMs help ALOT. Add a little spray on top and you'll be well into the 500 club. Fuel economy isn't too terrible bad (I have 427 LS1s getting 29.5 MPG in C5s)- you should still be able to expect 18-21. Labor is intense although- I highly suggest yanking the mo to do the swap. While your in there, you should at least do rods/ pistons while you can. F-bodies are a bitch to work on, but the results can turn out impressive when done. ATI kits are nice as well (I know a guy who can hook you up...) but depending on how far you want to go, you'll have to get forged internals anyway. N2O is harder on things (look at your bearings after spray vs. supercharge/ turbocharging) but it's pretty good bang for the buck especially if you already have the setup. DO NOT go above 12:1 or use race gas- it's not necessary at all. Every pt of compression usually nets only about 4% add'l power- not hardly worth running race gas. My $.02
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well wrx guy if i was to tell u something about ur wrx, i wouldnt know to much at all to tell u. but just do some research for urself on some camaro LT1 boards and see how many guys are running blower/turbos, and see how many of them lasted. im not blowing smoke up ur ass about it.
and yeah i know it harms the rings. but like i said it takes time and alot of spray of course, on a good running motor.
sean go with H/C setup, dont venture into boost with an LT1 unless u can afford it twice. just a mild setup will net u 380ish. then spray 100 on top of it, and it will be a healthy motor. -
I'm from the wrong school I guess on this one. If you can't go all the way, then go cheap as possible and wait till that shizat blows up and do it again. My old man got second in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS two years in a row on $500 or less motors. But he does know what he is doing and labor is free. If I were you I would go all out, but that is me. I wouldn't have bought a 34k+ car if I didn't believe in this philosophy. (sorry about spelling, been drinking, imagine that) And I don't care about research on boards, I've seen the real thing in real life for as long as I've been alive, if you do it RIGHT, there isn't anything to worry about. And that means covering all your bases.
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i see me and u have a different philosphy. and i will go from what other guys that drive the same car as me do. i will let the guys that have the money do the trial and error and see what works. and what doesnt is a blower/turbo on a LT1.
if i am gonna do something, i will do my best to do it right the first time. and i definetly wont do something like a 3-5k investment if it hasnt worked for othersIf you can't go all the way, then go cheap as possible and wait till that shizat blows up and do it again
so ur saying go blower, because it is double the price??
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Sweet-WRX-Lovin wrote:
Well, you are asking the wrong person here. Butt, and yes I said butt, my old man is a machinest and race car driver for over 30 years, I personally would build a cheap as possible motor running super high compresion (cheaper over the long run vs. a supercharger) but running race gas. If you aren't willing to make this sacrifice I have no hope for you. And BS on the supercharger rebuilding at 20K miles. If you have an ass monkey tunning your car maybe. I have no idea what I'm doing compared to my old man and I could get WAY more mileage out of that.
No offense, but I'm going to wait till you havn't been drinking to corect yourself or retract your statement.There are plenty of machinests and expereinced racers running LT1's. 20K on a STOCK INTERNAL LT1 is pretty much the norm, for people running boost of equal knowledge level, or more, of what your old man knows.
I'm sorry, but you are simply in the wrong on this.
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Same car has nothing to do with it. I'm saying blower not because it is simply twice the price or something like that, but because it has a sweet payoff if done right. Plus the payoffs are expandable as you upgrade your engine, especially on a V8. It's exponetial compared to a four cylinder of course. And if you scorch the motor it is very cheap to rebuild it with just a service manual, a decent set of wrenches, a torque wrench, yes a few other odds and ends, and some patience. I've built A LOT (more than a hundred) of V8s by hand, it's not that hard. If you are even considering going a little nuts or all out. V8s are cheap to rebuild unless you are going absolutely crazy (rollercams, ported heads, high rise intakes, valve magic, and exotic deck, head, rod, or crank work, etc.). All I'm really saying is seriously consider what you are really trying for in the end and put NO time limits on reaching those goals. If it takes longer to save up for a charger so what. What you have in the end is well worth it. I don't plan on making major power with my car for a LONG time. If it takes me 10 years so what, I'll have it sooner or later. I guess my opinion is don't sell yourself short for short term power when you can use most of that money towards a real big power setup in the relatively near future. Anyway this has probably gotten out of hand so go with whatever you feel is best.
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94NDTA wrote:
No offense, but I'm going to wait till you havn't been drinking to corect yourself or retract your statement.There are plenty of machinests and expereinced racers running LT1's. 20K on a STOCK INTERNAL LT1 is pretty much the norm, for people running boost of equal knowledge level, or more, of what your old man knows.
I'm sorry, but you are simply in the wrong on this.
Me drinking has nothing to do with this. My old man is a fucking GENIUS (and I am being actually humble) when it comes to mechanical things of any kind. I'd put him against the absolute best in the WORLD at anything to do with engines. I could care less what some part time free lance mechanics (or full time for that matter) think or experience with engines. He could get it to work, and work well for a long time. Lecture all you think you need to. I gotta go to Denny's now, be back to talk about this later
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Sweet-WRX-Lovin wrote:
Same car has nothing to do with it. I'm saying blower not because it is simply twice the price or something like that, but because it has a sweet payoff if done right. Plus the payoffs are expandable as you upgrade your engine, especially on a V8. It's exponetial compared to a four cylinder of course. And if you scorch the motor it is very cheap to rebuild it with just a service manual, a decent set of wrenches, a torque wrench, yes a few other odds and ends, and some patience. I've built A LOT (more than a hundred) of V8s by hand, it's not that hard. If you are even considering going a little nuts or all out. V8s are cheap to rebuild unless you are going absolutely crazy (rollercams, ported heads, high rise intakes, valve magic, and exotic deck, head, rod, or crank work, etc.). All I'm really saying is seriously consider what you are really trying for in the end and put NO time limits on reaching those goals. If it takes longer to save up for a charger so what. What you have in the end is well worth it. I don't plan on making major power with my car for a LONG time. If it takes me 10 years so what, I'll have it sooner or later. I guess my opinion is don't sell yourself short for short term power when you can use most of that money towards a real big power setup in the relatively near future. Anyway this has probably gotten out of hand so go with whatever you feel is best.You see to be missing what I am trying to acheive. Getting a blowe now woyuld be down right stupid.
A. I would need a smaller blower that would need to be upgraded IF/WHEN I deicde to make a good amount of power, new units are NOT cheap.
B. Said blower would cost MORE than the set up I would be going with, with about equal the power.
C. H/C set ups are expandable as well, without the hassle of having a blower/worrying about a rebuild WHEN I CAN'T AFFORD IT!
D. you seem to be missing the point where MY ENGINE come with a really high compression ratio stock/ lightweight, non boost freindly internals. It is not a standard SBC. Boost on a STOCK LT1 basically reulsts in constant waiting till WHEN it blows, not if it blows, even when dyno tuned extensivly. This does NOT equate good for a DD.
I don't want to be rebuilding my engine with crap $500 parts over and over again. It will be a daily summer driver for now. A blower is not in any way shape or form, a good decision for me at this point, no matter how you look at it.
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I guess there is no hope for you. You foot the bills for the rebuild, and I'll pay to blow it.
Not all of us can have a HOLIER THAN THOU, JOHN FORCE SUCK MY CACK father. What are you trying to say? I should boost it because YOUR father could tune it right and make it work, even though YOUR FATHER IS A GOD AMONGST MECHANICS?
What does that leave me, the average joe, 99% of the world who can't hold a candle to your father, with?
You make no sense whatsoever.
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What schultzy is saying is that you should just stick with what you have right now until you can afford the big power instead of spending more money for a small upgrade(well actually in this case you lose power) hes not telling you to buy a blower right now and shit hes telling you to save your money for when you CAN afford it...and seriously his father is pretty respected...
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