In the late 1920s the German economy collapsed....
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Well said Chuck, my thoughts exactly. I will say that there are some times when someone does get dealt a tough hand and needs some help so there is some need for assistance programs. However, these are not supposed to be permanent and they should not be milking the system which seems to be the case these days.
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Then how, do you propose we get the poor to not be poor? What we are doing now obivously isnt working, so what can be done what would work? The poor draw welfare, and we pay for that, so how do we get them off our backs?
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MisterCMK;214997 wrote:
Well said Chuck, my thoughts exactly. I will say that there are some times when someone does get dealt a tough hand and needs some help so there is some need for assistance programs. However, these are not supposed to be permanent and they should not be milking the system which seems to be the case these days.Right, I am not saying ban the welfare system in this country, just revamp it...make it beneficial to get off of it....heck allow people to be on welfare AND work for 3 months at a regular job to get them on their feet....or make them work if they are on welfare. Get them a job picking up garbage, working with kids, whatever, so that they can at least earn that gov't check.
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So we get them a job picking up garbage, they make minimum wage, which wont be enough to pay for rent, a car (and all it entails), medical insurance, food. Long term, how do they become un-poor if you will, for good. No welfare relapse. And what if they get hurt? No medical insurace, and bam, they are in debt, and cant work.
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GarageAlchemist;215004 wrote:
So we get them a job picking up garbage, they make minimum wage, which wont be enough to pay for rent, a car (and all it entails), medical insurance, food. Long term, how do they become un-poor if you will, for good. No welfare relapse. And what if they get hurt? No medical insurace, and bam, they are in debt, and cant work.They still have access to low income housing at that level. It gets them back working, contributing, etc to society. They will realize they either need to work harder/smarter. Right now they are living on welfare, no reason that they can't work and live on the same wage....I'm even ok giving them a full 8 hours pay for 4 hours of work IF and ONLY IF they are taking some classes at a community college, etc.. to improve their lives.
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tjamz;215006 wrote:
They still have access to low income housing at that level. It gets them back working, contributing, etc to society. They will realize they either need to work harder/smarter. Right now they are living on welfare, no reason that they can't work and live on the same wage....I'm even ok giving them a full 8 hours pay for 4 hours of work IF and ONLY IF they are taking some classes at a community college, etc.. to improve their lives.Low income housing? where is that? Show me the goverment program that gives housing subsidies to low income people. And finally what i was getting at origionally! Reform!
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right across the alley from me there is low income housing where you pay a percentage of your income to live there. Come over some time and I will introduce you to the families that I know that live there.
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MisterCMK;214997 wrote:
Well said Chuck, my thoughts exactly. I will say that there are some times when someone does get dealt a tough hand and needs some help so there is some need for assistance programs. However, these are not supposed to be permanent and they should not be milking the system which seems to be the case these days.tjamz;215003 wrote:
Right, I am not saying ban the welfare system in this country, just revamp it...make it beneficial to get off of it....heck allow people to be on welfare AND work for 3 months at a regular job to get them on their feet....or make them work if they are on welfare. Get them a job picking up garbage, working with kids, whatever, so that they can at least earn that gov't check.+1 to both
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I still don't understand why it is societies job to make poor people not poor? If you don't work, you don't get paid. At least that's how it works for me...
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It's not societies job to make them un-poor. That is a choice they have to make on their own. I do think that we as a society have an obligation to help those that have fallen on hard times w/ temporary help, which is what the premise of my ideal welfare system is based on.
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Right. I am all for temporary programs such as Unemployment, Welfare as long as you have found a job and are working to get off of the program, etc.
As a matter of fact, welfare should not be paid unless the person on the receiving end can show they have a job or are actively seeking employment.
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integra_gsr98;215077 wrote:
Right. I am all for temporary programs such as Unemployment, Welfare as long as you have found a job and are working to get off of the program, etc.As a matter of fact, welfare should not be paid unless the person on the receiving end can show they have a job or are actively seeking employment.
Or unless you are seriously ill/injured to the point where you can no longer work.
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I'm actually a democrat...but this portion of the republican mantra I agree with...that and guns and lower taxes.
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Well, this is ndfarmers.com according to Nick.
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Chuck, i believe conservativeness has snuck up on you.
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Chuck is just gaining wisdom as he ages.
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I like the liberal ideology (help those who need i), but fully understand the conservative reality (help those who are willing to help themselves)
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