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  • no_slow_clapN Offline
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    find a used evo intercooler, i would give you mine..but it cracked.

    its inexpensive, and it works.

    EVOLUTION VIII

    > ryanherington;4648360 wrote:
    > I think I'm gonna stop by Autozone and get a "worthy-amount" meter. My car might not put down enough worhty, and I don't wanna get in the way.

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        • zbrownZ Offline
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          Injection >>> Intercooler

          I'd like to see you get well below ambient IAT's with your A2A IC.........

          while having better boost response and a simpler system, without tearing up your front.....

          There is an awesome thread I should link to on the club..........

          showed a ton of well documented logs (IAT's ect) going from a large FMIC to strictly chemical inection........ showing the results of different mixtures of water and alcohol on IAT's

          great results

          There is no way i am going to run an IC on my car

          not saying A2A IC's are bad or anything, they are a good thing, just not required with a good injection system

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          • zbrownZ Offline
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            I agree the injection system is just one more thing to worry about, but it does have definite advantages

            and i for one hate intake piping going all over

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            • z31Z Offline
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              weshole;245899 wrote:
              Talk to Jason (Z31) about it. He's running it on the Z he has. But I think he's switching to a FMIC. It may be initially easier to do but it's kind of a pita to have to rely on it all the time. Kinda like nitrous.

              Wes, I'm going with Nistune tuning software, E85+Methanol injection, and 9:1 compression pistons for now.

              Like Zack said your Intake Air Temps are going to be below your outside air temp and you can go 30% over your fuel injectors for extra fueling. I think the octane rating is 112

              86 Nissan 300zx 12.43 @ 114 Top End Dragways

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              • MisterCMKM Offline
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                Why not use an intercooler along with meth injection?

                FASTER THAN DUBBSY

                > thrash;315544 wrote:
                > I noticed that the new 5.0 valve covers say "Ford Motorsport" or something on them. Instead, the valvecovers should be a big bald eagle, holding a rifle in one talon, an american flag in the other, eating apple pie, and shitting on the outline of europe.
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                • no_slow_clapN Offline
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                  MisterCMK;245967 wrote:
                  Why not use an intercooler along with meth injection?

                  agreed.

                  EVOLUTION VIII

                  > ryanherington;4648360 wrote:
                  > I think I'm gonna stop by Autozone and get a "worthy-amount" meter. My car might not put down enough worhty, and I don't wanna get in the way.

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                  • zbrownZ Offline
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                    no_slow_clap;245969 wrote:
                    agreed.

                    because joel just said he didn't want to fit an IC........

                    and AI alone has some advantages over running both together

                    there are some hardcore fanatics of AI in the rotary world....with unbelievable results

                    for instance, on your typical 13b setup with pump gas alone, you are looking at around 15-17psi being your safe ceiling................with a good injection system people are around the area of 25psi on pump gas alone.....all day, every day

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                      zbrown;245974 wrote:
                      because joel just said he didn't want to fit an IC........

                      and AI alone has some advantages over running both together

                      there are some hardcore fanatics of AI in the rotary world....with unbelievable results

                      for instance, on your typical 13b setup with pump gas alone, you are looking at around 15-17psi being your safe ceiling................with a good injection system people are around the area of 25psi on pump gas alone.....all day, every day

                      I understand the advantages, but why would you want to substitute cooling for an aditive?

                      Joel, your car is going to be down all winter, its not like you wont have time to make something work. you can make your piping...the way you want it, and an ic isnt that expensive. you can buy a good used one one ebay for cheap.

                      not only that you dont have to worry about proper applications for your car, you can buy a used side mount and make it work.

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                      > ryanherington;4648360 wrote:
                      > I think I'm gonna stop by Autozone and get a "worthy-amount" meter. My car might not put down enough worhty, and I don't wanna get in the way.

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                      • DrifterExtremeD Offline
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                        haha i love these threads, everyone is so afraid of meth injection.

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                        • JoelJ Offline
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                          Boost response is my #1 concern, sorry for not putting it in my first post. With the Autoxing I do, and the turbo i decided to go with, I am gonna need every advantage I can to be in boost during autox.

                          no race car? becuz homeowner...

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                          • zbrownZ Offline
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                            no_slow_clap;245979 wrote:
                            but why would you want to substitute cooling for an aditive?

                            um, I guess you don't understand what it is doing then

                            when the liquid is vaporized during injection it pulls heat out of the air........among other things

                            Unless that isn't "cooling" the air charge???

                            like i said above Auxiliary Injection can "cool" Intake Air Temps, well below ambient air temperature.... whereas even your best and most efficient A2A setup may get close to ambient temp...... never lower obviously

                            Back with the rotary and the gt42..... when i removed the IC and just ran AI for about a months time it was amazing the difference in boost responce

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                              zbrown;245992 wrote:
                              um, I guess you don't understand what it is doing then

                              when the liquid is vaporized during injection it pulls heat out of the air........among other things

                              Unless that isn't "cooling" the air charge???

                              like i said above Auxiliary Injection can "cool" Intake Air Temps, well below ambient air temperature.... whereas even your best and most efficient A2A setup may get close to ambient temp...... never lower obviously

                              Back with the rotary and the gt42..... when i removed the IC and just ran AI for about a months time it was amazing the difference in boost responce

                              o that explains a lot more, i always thot meth was alternative source for those that didnt want to run race gas/e85.

                              EVOLUTION VIII

                              > ryanherington;4648360 wrote:
                              > I think I'm gonna stop by Autozone and get a "worthy-amount" meter. My car might not put down enough worhty, and I don't wanna get in the way.

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                              • RexwagonR Offline
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                                meth injection faq

                                http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12614948

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                                • GrrG Offline
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                                  joel if you really want to be smart, just go with huge injectors and E85, then you dont need to worry abou IC or meth, it really is the best option. Along with the larger exhaust volume associated with E85, it can enable you to go up one exhaust housing size with no difference in spool time, or in your case, a little bigger turbo overall. Most guys running E85 notice close to ambient temps when measured in the runner, which will be more than enough power for you.

                                  2006 Trailblazer SS- my DD
                                  2002 Camaro- built N/A LS3, Flt level 5 trans, 8.8 rear

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                                  • zbrownZ Offline
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                                    I like E85, just none around me

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                                    • 3_Series3 Offline
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                                      From the title it almost sounded like he was talking about the drug, haha.

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                                      1993 BMW 325i (sold)

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                                        no_slow_clap;245995 wrote:
                                        o that explains a lot more, i always thot meth was alternative source for those that didnt want to run race gas/e85.

                                        It is an alternative source. :icon_bigsmurf:

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